Pre-christian = illiteracy and barbarism. Post-christian = Sodomy and mental illness. Judeo-Christian = truth, purity, light, and life.
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Pre-Christian: glorious world-conquering empires, philosophers, art and culture.
See? I can also make bullshit arguments that entirely paint an entire era as black or white. History doesn't work that way, jackass. It's much more complex.
You do know that "pre-Christian" includes about 4000 years of that Judeo- you people are so fond of including everywhere, right...?
What do you mean with "post-Christian"? The West is still very much Christian-influenced, so it's not post-Christian.
Illiteracy wasn't limited to the pre-Christian times; it was still endemic during the Middle Ages and beyond and the church failed to advance literacy and education in the same manner as secular education. Many pre-Christian civilisations were advanced and would have scoffed at the thought that they were barbaric; take pre-Christian Rome for example. Scientific, medical and technological advancement was progressing at a faster rate in the times of Hippocrates than Pope Innocent III.
You may have a perception of Judeo-Christianity, a modern term, as ideal, but it wasn't for the many infidels, heretics, gays and dissidents. Indeed, the Jews themselves found themselves to be victims of Christian persecution during your pre-secularist utopia, as they found themselves blamed by conspiracy theorist Christians during the Black Death and were victims of the Spanish Inquisition and anti-Jewish pogroms in Tsarist Russia. You are also mistaken if you think Judeo-Christian values would instill the 'purity' of which you crave; you only have to take an honest look into the background of many Christian preachers to see that.
Mental illnesses may appear to be more prevalent nowadays, but a lot of this is down to a surge in world population since the 19th century and a greater public awareness behind mental illnesses. In fact, the growing population occurred because of longer life expectancies made possible by significant advances in medicine and healthcare, helped greatly by trust in evidence based medicines, not Christian teachings. This includes advancements in the treatment of mental health problems. For example, we have made significant strides into the understanding of Alzhemier's Disease because of it. Yammering about demons and drowning the village eccentric for being a witch has failed spectacularly.
You haven't read any history books ever have you? Christianity brought us the dark ages, Inquisition, witch trials, etc
Pre-christian Rome actually valued literacy and culture a great deal and many cities throughout the empire flourished as centres of learning, some of which suffered greatly from anti-intellectual christians who rejected pre-christian knowledge because it was 'pagan'. This was how some of the surviving texts of the Great Library of Alexandria were destroyed; they were deemed pagan. Scholars and philosopher could be accused of witchcraft and heresy if their teachings didn't align with the church, or if they were merely politically inconvenient. Some theologians made no bones about their outright rejection of scientific facts and insistence only faith mattered to them.
Some of this human knowledge was only preserved when these centres of learning fell into Islamic hands, as Arabs had a strange fascination with ancient Rome. And passing these preserved works on to European christians is perhaps the only lasting positive of the crusades because they started the Rennaisance.
Of course, the opposite is true nowadays. With the Islamic world faltering because of the spread of dogmatism due to Saudi Arabian sponsorship, and the West advancing in technology since the 19th century, when secularism spread.
Literacy and literate civilizations have existed since at least the earliest known use of Egyptian hieroglyphs to write the Ancient Egyptian language. That dates back to roughly 3,500 B.C.a good two and a half millennia before the earliest known evidence of texts that would become the Old Testament.
Colossal historical linguistics fail.
Pre-Christian = ancient Greece knew the Earth was spherical, knew Pi to 75 decimal places.
Judeo-Christain = Josh Buggar & mass mental retardation.
Post-christian = Technological advances: including the computer you're using.
You have the gay Atheist Alan Turing to thank for the latter.
Enjoy your paradox, Greasy Kumquat.
The pre-Christian societies that come to my mind are renowned to this day for their philosophers, poets, historians, and artists. Barbarism and contempt for knowledge are largely Christian contributions to humanity.
@The Reptilian Jew
Oh, you don't even know the half of it. Turing was gay, yes, and he invented the first computer and cracked Enigma and all (though I didn't know he was an atheist too, thanks Anon-e-Moose).
But despite his accomplishments, he was brought to trial and sentenced (to chemical castration, I believe) for merely being gay , and eventually he commited suicide because of it.
Of course, who do we have to thank for such inhumane behavior? Homophobic (Christian) degenerates such as Gracie here.
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