Today at work a co-worker and I were on our breaks at the same time. We had to eat out in the lobby (I work at a McDonald's) because the store manager was talking to another employee about something. He was making small talk and then out of nowhere asked me what I thought about the mosque in New York. I said that it shouldn't be built because of what Muslims did on 9/11. He said something about not all Muslims being that way. I said that Islam is a religion that tells its adherents to kill those who won't submit. He said (I'm paraphrasing but it was pretty close to this), "Well, I won't kill you if you don't submit." I kind of suspected that he was a Muslim but now I finally knew. And I have to admit, that last thing he said chilled me to the bone.
Anyway, I had a great opportunity to witness and I failed. I just froze up; I wasn't really sure what to say. I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God. I don't know if I'm asking for advice or just sharing a story.
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"I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God."
Except that your holy book says the same thing.
"They waged war against the Midianites, as the Lord had commanded Moses, and killed every male among them" Numbers 30:7
So STFU
It's better to have witnessed and failed than to have not witnessed at all. I expect that's a common occurrence for you. I suppose it's a bit like being washed up on the shores of a remote island and suddenly a primitive tribal loony appears out of the jungle and starts jabbering away at you like a deranged plonker. Of course, in your case, we'd most likely recognize that English was being used, although I imagine it probably wouldn't be very intelligible.
You'll probably do a stretch in one of God's torture chambers for wasting an opportunity to convert a heathen. However, I'll help you out with a spot of persecution, for your quota, I don't know if it's a monthly, weekly, annual, or what period you have to accumulate what amount. Still here's some more for you:-
I bet you're a simpleton who has never managed to convince anyone of the validity of your Jesus nonsense. I bet you're so thick that you don't even know if you're telling a story or asking for advice. I bet you're as evil as is necessary in order to suck up to the invisible one who doesn't exist. I bet the Rapture never ever happens.
I hope that persecution helps.
Dear ThePenguin:
Your failure to witness to somebody has angered me greatly. Because I am a forgiving god, I will not condemn you straight to hell. However, I must still punish you. Your punishment is this: you will be forced to deal with McDonalds customers.
I bless
-God
#1, I don't believe your co-worker would have been discussing religion. Chances are he mentioned the community center,and you went off your face chanting the same old tired lie about it being a "Ground Zero Mosque".
#2 My bets when you started in about Islam = killing those who don't believe, he shrugged, said "Whatever" and then ignored you.
"Blarg Muzlims Wharrgarbl"
Lessie, I count hypocrite, bigot, and ignorant rube.
Congrats! You're a waste of oxygen.
The phrase "Well, I won't kill you if you don't submit." chilled you to the bone?
Really?
I mean, to me, not being killed for ignoring religious people's demands is a good thing.
Maybe it's just that rapturite death cultists can't be persecuted without their delusions. Since that's basically all they live for, this phrase obviously showed you that your life has been an enormous waste of time. I can see how that would be a little scary.
I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God.
Esther 8:17
And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
Or in other words: Convert or die motherfucker! In case you say, "that's the Old Testament, the New Testament changed all that." Here's another one:
John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
In other words: Convert or burn in hell forever motherfucker! You fail your own holy book.
Why are you having lunch with a Muslim in the first place? And then you're suprised that he doesn't share your values?
1 Corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.
His saying that he wouldn't harm you chilled you to the bone? What, can't handle having you delusions about Muslims being violent murderers shattered? Or, more likely, you probably applied a sinister meaning to what he said and then paraphrased it to sound suggestive because you're a prejudiced twat.
And FYI the Qur'an states that Muslims are supposed to show respect to Christians and Jews as fellow "people of the book". Regardless of whether or not you think they're serving him, they do believe in the same god as you do.
I won't kill you if you don't submit. ---
--- chilled me to the bone.
Not touching you...
Noooottt toooouuchinnnngg youu-uuuu.
Not killlllllinng youuuuu...
Are ya scared yet?
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@ Professor M
McDonald's is one of those damn secular places that stays open on Sundays and doesn't support the slaughter of non-Christians.
I thought fundies were supposed to boycott Mickey D's since they said they'd serve gay people.
Reminds me of a vegetarian in my sign graphics class who swore he'd never paint a sign advertising any animal products. He wound up with a job painting paper signs for a meat market.
"I failed."
I agree. As I read this inane, rambling bullshit, I swear I heard it being spoken by a Valley Girl in my mind.
I did read the "We had to eat out in the lobby" part incorrectly, at first though. You should of went with a x-rated story about eating a co-worker out in a McDonalds seating area, during the Sunday after-church rush though. It would have been more interesting than a bunch of cliche shit about Muslims all being terrorists.
TL/DR: Quit being a dumb fuck, and get some original material.
"And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul; That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." -- 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death , and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die ;" -- Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Anyway, I had a great opportunity to witness and I failed.
God is disappointed, so that means no heaven for you.
It chilled you to the bone that he said he WOULDN'T kill you?
Oh, wait, you just can't handle the fact that you were wrong and he knew it.
I call bullshit! If he was a Muslim, he'd probably know that it's a community center (a Muslim YMCA, sort of, guess it's a YMMA, then), not a mosque.
How can you in one sentence say "they kill those who won't submit", and then you want to "witness" to him and make him submit? Why not live and let live? He's happy in his religion, you're happy in yours. You basically believe in the same god anyway.
"I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God. I don't know if I'm asking for advice or just sharing a story. "
Just take a look in the mirror. After that, open up the Wholy Babble and to your surprise: you'll find it telling you very similarly to kill people who wont "submit" to some mentioned criterias.
>< Philbert, what you said WAS scary. You sounded like the Joker or something. Maybe the ghost of the Joker. Egad.
This, however, is merely Cobblepot's American impersonator being an ass. How is he going to deal with Gotham when promises not to kill him at McDonald's are terrifying? I kind of have to suspect that Mr. Co-worker went home and told family members about the successful application of witty dialogue with appropriate timing, causing bigot to freeze up and become without words in the middle of Big Mac and fries.
Newsflash: Your holy book also tells you to kill nonbelievers, but you don't know it because you people never actually read the fucking thing. If you did, you'd realize just what a horrific religion Christianity really is.
I realllllllly want to know why he suspected his co-worker of being Muslim. Did the co-worker request Friday afternoons off and never Sunday mornings? Did the co-worker disappear a couple of times a shift and come back looking rested, peaceful, and in thought? Did the co-worker not take any meal breaks during the day during much of August?
Was the co-worker a person of color?
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Penguin, don't underestimate the impact of what you did say. Your coworker now has to deal with a discrepancy between what his Koran says and what he thinks. Wheels are turning. Job well done!!!
So, it's true: homeskooled fundies do end up as burger flippers.
Let's take hope from this, though: in his first job, the fundie has been for possibly the first time exposed to the real world outside his fundie bubble, and it scares the shit out of him. A few more years, and maybe it isn't so scary and maybe he begins to wonder why he was in the bubble so long.
"I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me"
I have, just about every day. Fortunately, most people don't take the Bible quite that literally.
ThePenguin, there's a reason you're working at McDonald's.
Also, you don't know shit about the Qu'ran or your own religion's history.
That is all.
This is getting crazy.
a) Are you all adults knocking people who work at McDonalds?
b) ThePenguin is still in high school.
Yikes, guys.
Trust me, the RR members in general make me ill. But just ripping into someone for where they work is ridiculous.
I don't think he's homeschooled, but hopefully this job will give him a chance to see the real world rather than this fantasy he's been living in.
"I just froze up; I wasn't really sure what to say."
Well, yeah, you work at McDonald's numbnuts.
Best git ta church and let the preacher man tell you what to say when faced with people who are more intelligent than you are (which is, well, pretty much everyone).
Oh, and my Holy Book of Grammar hates it when people don't know the differcnce between who's and whose.
"I don't know if I'm asking for advice or just sharing a story."
Isn't that nice? Now could you just give me my fucking burger and shut the fuck up?
Of course he was "chilled to the bone" over an innocuous statement like that. These are people who jump like rabbits at their own shadows and see signs and portents everywhere. They get off on being afraid. From an outsider's perspective, it looks like the Raptards' greatest virtue is fear, and the hierarchy is based on who is currently the most terrified. Weird.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a 'McJob' as an "an unstimulating low-paid job with few prospects".
After that McDonald's planned a public petition to have this definition changed... Their UK CEO, Peter Beresford said 'The company would prefer the definition to be rewritten to "reflect a job that is stimulating, rewarding ... and offers skills that last a lifetime."
And pigs might fly, waaahaaaa, ha, ha, haaaaaaa...
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No they're just mocking raptards that work at McDonalds, a place where they've said in the past that they'd NEVER go to because it supports the "Ebil Gays".
And it's most likely too late for this guy he's already too convinced into being terrified of everyone who thinks differently. He won't learn a thing because he'll believe they're just trying to covert or kill him.
> "Well, I won't kill you if you don't submit."
Damn! The bastard threatened you with non-violence! A very cunning move that leaves fundies dumbfounded - because if someone doesn't do anything, what the heck can the fundies do unto them?
> I just froze up; I wasn't really sure what to say. I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God.
But I am talking to you right now under the exact same conditions and I'm not freezing up.
A tip for the oblivious: groupthink takes less effort than having a personal conviction. People who buy into groupthink have some sort of idea how the group wants the individual to act, and act accordingly - and get their butts kicked. People with a genuine conviction know what kind of mess they're going to get into, are forewarned, and learn from their mistakes.
Well, he's right in that Quran does say to kill those who wont submit to Islam, the good thing is that most Muslims are smart enough to ignore that part. Just like most Christians are smart enough to ignore the parts of the bible that talk about killing unbelievers / gays / adultrers / disobedient children / sabbath workers etc.
The Bible tells you to kill anyone who works on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15).
Is McDonald's open on the Sabbath?
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
So it chilled you to the bone that he WOULD NOT kill you? I don't get it. I thought that, if nothing else, he was just setting straight all the misinformed stereotypes that people like you, by your own admission, share.
*Facepalm*
He said not all muslims are radical terrorists. He says he wouldn't hurt you just for not believing and yet you still blurt the stupid "All muslims kill" shit.
You are a complete, utter moron.
"I just froze up; I wasn't really sure what to say"
Oh, so that feeling white people get when a black guy asks them for directions?
The last thing he said chilled you to the bone? He basically said he was tolerant of different views and not a murderer. OH BOY HOW SCARY! You've never spoken to somebody whose holy book tells them to kill? So you don't talk to other Christians?
Hope you enjoy working at that McDonalds.
Just FTR, I think what "chilled [him] to the bone" was not the guy's saying he wouldn't kill him, but the guy's saying, indirectly, that he was indeed Muslim. He was hoping there would be a breathless "Oh gosh, no, I'm Christian! I wouldn't want you to think I'm one of those camel-fuckers!"
He said something about not all Muslims being that way. I said that Islam is a religion that tells its adherents to kill those who won't submit. He said (I'm paraphrasing but it was pretty close to this), "Well, I won't kill you if you don't submit."...And I have to admit, that last thing he said chilled me to the bone.
Yeah, I know. It's scary when people don't conform to your prejudices, isn't it?
That's the stupidest thing I have ever read.
I am now triply glad that a sensible Christian leader has obtained those copies of the Q'uran Terry Jones was gonna burn and will be using them to actually teach others what's IN the thing.
Maybe that will cut down on this ignorance.
As someone who was Muslim and has read the Qur'an cover to cover at least five times, I can assure you it does not say that.
The 'hunt them and kill them wherever you find them' line has been taken out of context again again. The whole line: 'When they persecute you and drive you out of your lands, hunt them and kill them wherever you find them.' Maybe not the most progressive way to go about things, but not something I can imagine any conservative Christian disagreeing with. It also clarifies later that women and children should not be killed, fields should not be salted, etc.
There's also a line early in Surah Baqarah that says that believing Jews and Christians will go to paradise.
So yea. Islam was still too intolerant for me, but mostly because of the sexism and homophobia - problems which plague Christianity to a much greater degree.
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It also clarifies later that women and children should not be killed, fields should not be salted, etc.
That's a few steps more humane than the Christian Bible, then, with its explicit exhortations to kill the children of one's enemies.
"I've never actually spoken to a person who's holy book tells him to kill me and everyone else that worships the true Living God."
You've never talked to a Christian? The Bible tells you to kill everyone who doesn't worship the God of Israel.
You believe in the same God, stupid, and he said he wouldn't kill you, stupid.
He's joking.
CAN'T YOU TELL?
You've never actually spoken to a Christian? Your book also says to kill unbelievers. That "true Living God" is the same god he worships, silly!
You make it sound like it's the store manager that is talking to you, but it was your co-worker, wasn't it?
In my country you wouldn't even get a job at McDonald's, as they have their pick of college and university students.
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