[If a child-rapist repents, he'll go to heaven, but if the children he raped become atheist because of the rape, they'll go to hell. How is that justice?]
If the rapist finally came to God after a life of spiritual misery, he earned it.
If the child refused God after a life of spiritual misery, he earned nothing.
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Jesus "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Enough said. The kid, if he believed in God, would've been comforted by the fact that the man's actions are worthy of hell, only to meet up with the rapist in heaven and work on their emotional relationship.
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What a twisted god to put those two together for all enternity and this goes to show that god/jesus has been arrested and in prison these past decades ... so many criminals find thim there.
I like the way you xtian do business .. rape, repent, repeat. Just as long as you die right after 'repenting, you're IN!
This kind of crap is exactly why my brain was a trainwreck when I believed in x-tianity. How can a decent person reconcile this kind of thinking without becoming a spiritual zombie or a raving maniac?
This kind of mindset is an utter offense to empathy and human behaviour. If in your heaven you have to be buddies with your rapist, then that is not heaven, that's an eternal and sick practical joke.
I suppose, given enough contrivances and assumptions about the nature of heaven, that might just about make some vague form of perverted sense.
As it is, it's just more proof that, real or not, God is the greatest enemy Man has ever had.
First off, if the kid was an actual Christian, not a follower of the corrupted form of filth your religion has become, he probably wouldn't take too much comfort in the whole "Hell" thing. Did you miss the part about turning the other cheek? Or loving your enemies? Or forgiveness?
Secondly, fuck you, Ethan.
Odd, I thought Christianity was against pedophilia? Or is it just the Non -Christian pedophiles they don't like?
Which brings up a rather interesting point against morons like Ethan: I am an atheist, I have never broken the law. I would never consider rape, let alone of a child , but because I'm not Christian, I go to Hell.
However, there could be a man, an utterly despicable son of a bitch, who rapes, kills, and then eats children, but if he repents, the bastard gets into Heaven.
If that's how the religion works, then I'm glad I have no part in it.
Any concept of God, if taken to extremes, becomes insanity. Thank you, Ethan, for yet more evidence of this.
Well, it's a rather emotionally-charged example, but the underlying principal is not really that fundie. All Christians believe that if you turn away from God, you will not be admitted to Heaven, regardless of whether they are fundie or not. After all, why bother to be a Christian if you think that there is no end-reward for it? Heaven and Hell is just an abstract "carrot-and-stick" approach to morality in the first place.
So while the example is pretty extreme, the sentiment expressed, being common to all Christians, is not, in my opinion, fundie. Not that I agree with the sentiment. Personally, I don't think that God is enough of a dick to condemn people for crap that isn't their fault. I guess that's why I'm a godless liberal Christian. (No kidding, I was called that once because I refused to say that all suicides go to Hell.)
I would like to nominate this as a "The F**ked Up Fundy" Award. It's a new award (I just made up), and this one deserves it!
Sometimes a post comes along that shows how depraved a person's values can become, that it would make most rational people want to vomit...
As an atheist, I don't believe in God so the particulars of Xian theology are moot, however, for those who desperately want to believe in a deity... why pick this one?
First of if the child become a atheist .He or she could gave a rats ass about your god and weak unoriginal promise of heaven and a after life,
you fundies fascinate me with your hubris and blatant ignorance ,It no wounder your despised and hated through out the world
It your bold ignorance and failure to see it .It sickness me .and other like me .Who see through your charade,and empty promises..
.You have no right to compare a rapist morality and his victim pain, suffering and call it the same thing
no right at all ...
Sandman -
While you're right, I think this qualifies as "fundie" because there is zero attempt to understand or justify the incredible injustice that God appears to mete out in these circumstances. This kind of thinking reduces God to a mindless yes/no switch - believe and you're in, don't believe and you're out, nothing else matters. That last part is the part that non-Christians (and a good deal of thinking Christians) struggle with, the question of how what we do on earth relates to God. This kind of statement basically says "God doesn't give a rat's ass what you do, all he cares about is whether you believe and worship him." Which is a terrible portrait of God to give anyone. This is the "faith and faith alone" theology taken to a ridiculous extreme - which translates to insanity.
Props to Novum, Redhunter, MILF-chan, Ed, and Broken Egg for expressing my various thoughts on this matter so well.
NotMe: I believe that was Mark Twain.
~David D.G.
NotMe and David- Yup, Mark Twain said that one. Wrote it, more likely, but anyhow.
I made my mom cry one night discussing the heaven and hell issue, over a similiar sort of scenario. Although I beleive we were discussing a murderer rather than a rapist, the idea that just going "Jesus will save me!" will get you a pampered, loving eternity just doesn't work for me.
One of those anyonymous glurge-type quotes is along the lines of "Better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't." And that's how I feel about the heaven and hell issue. If the Christian God does divvy out our eternal locations, I'd rather he damn me for being an upright, moral individual who lived by his morals, rather than let me into heaven for being a servile little sheep.
Seriously, I don´t think that Heaven is a disco place or a lounge. The question is that repenting has to be real. And the rapist HAS to do his best to heal an emotional wound which is indeed very troubling. I am not going to talk to you in depth because your speech lacks argumentation. Only just the fact that it was Jesus the guy who said that you can´t say God, God, and not do his will. In other words, faith without works is void and the rapist is not going to heaven just because he goes to church. He has to understand the double trouble he has caused physically and morally. If he doesn´t, he is not going to heaven.
I guess I am going to hell then, since i was abused as a child, and I am no longer a christian because of all the pedophiles who take refuge in that sham of a religion.
But I'm not going to hell, because it does not exist.
Broken Egg said: "However, there could be a man, an utterly despicable son of a bitch, who rapes, kills, and then eats children, but if he repents, the bastard gets into Heaven."
Jeffrey Dahmer found jesus in prison, and accepted him. Here's a quote, "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever."
- Jeffrey Dahmer, Christian cannibal serial killer.
So he's going to heaven and Steve Irwin and Ghandi are going to hell? Fuck that shit.
Excuse me, but wishing that any criminal, no matter how bad his crimes are, would burn in hell sounds vindictive to me.
Redhunter:
Jeffrey Dahmer may, indeed, have found god in prison - and it killed him. (Actually, he was killed by another inmate named Christopher Scarver who thought he was, in turns, either Jesus or Satan, but doing god's work, nonetheless.)
The example and Redhunters Jeffrey Dahmer quote actually made perfect sense to me.
Two questions come to mind though:
1. The repentants gratitude towards God must be devastating to him. Would he choose eternity of feeling guilt, or would he choose hell for not being worthy? [Can't really see paradise in either of them.]
2. Poor kid really didn't have a chance to earn Gods favour. Why doesn't God in all fairness keep an even playingfield?
No need to answer, I'm just thinking out loud =)
The utter insanity of Ethan's 'beliefs', and Christianity as a whole, can be summed up thusly:
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With the emphasis on MENTAL .
Ergo, Atheism. QED.
"The kid, if he believed in God, would've been comforted by the fact that the man's actions are worthy of hell,"
Yeah, I'd be comforted too if I found out that the universe was created by an omnipotent, omniscient being who will send people to a place of eternal torture because their distant ancestors ate a piece of fruit, or they told a little white lie in preschool.
"only to meet up with the rapist in heaven and work on their emotional relationship."
I can just see them going out for lunch together to chat about it.
Wow.
The only thing I can say before succumbing to a vengeful rampage to track down the person that even thinks this way, is that such a reunion must be the mother of all awkward reunions.
I wonder how Jesus would react when asked about it...
Confused?
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