God's definition of "flat" is wholly different from ours. The world is flat in His eyes, but spherical in ours. This is simply because our eyes are tainted with sin and doubt. We see what we want to see, not what is. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
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a flat-earther huh. been a while since we'd had one of those...
We've got plenty of evidence for a nice, not-quite-spherical but pretty round ball as a planet. You know, like ORBITS, the view from space, horizons, math...
You've a lot to disprove before you can start trying to spout your little claim.
And then you've gotta start by proving "god", that he has eyes (oh, he needs'em to see? isn't that blasphemy since you say he's omnicient?), and then sin, and then that we ARE "tainted" with it...
God's definition of "flat" is wholly different from ours. A completely unsupported assertion, to the best of my knowledge, that fails to live up to the provider's user name.
This is simply because our eyes are tainted with sin and doubt. We see what we want to see, not what is. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand. While wishful thinking, hallucinations, et al are common among humans, there is no evidence that we're mistaken when it comes to the shape of the Earth.
"God's definition of "flat" is wholly different from ours. The world is flat in His eyes, but spherical in ours. This is simply because our eyes are tainted with sin and doubt. We see what we want to see, not what is."
Flat is flat. It is not spherical. You are not entitled to redefine geometrical terms to suit your delusion.
We poor, flawed humans can't see the reality God sees, therefore, anything or everything may be different than we preceive it. This old apologetic saw is used by the dim and deluded as their last ditch defense.
"I really don't see why this is so hard to understand."
I'm sure you don't. You have trouble understanding reality.
If this isn't the broadest copout ever thought of. "God's definition of <insert whatever Babble concept science disagrees with here> is different from ours, so there." Provide proof of this ass ertion, or even that God exists, or just STFU.
I'm sorry, but I think you may want to rethink that argument. If your god's definition of one word is different than ours, how do we know that the same circumstance doesn't go for other words, words such as "sin" and "abomination" and even "god" for that matter?
Well, I'm sure God, being God, is well aware of Gauss' Theorema Egregium and can easily map a three-dimensional surface to a plane in His infinite mind, but the idea that the biblical flat earth is really God's way of referring to Gaussian curvature is a little ridiculous.
Burden of Bullshit wrote:
We see what we want to see, not what is.
But what if I want to see a triangular world? The world still remains round despite what I want to see!
Remarkably, you can apply this little gem of logic to any question ever, and it automatically goes your way, because "God wanted it that way" trumps all! Yay!
"The world is flat in my eyes, but spherical in everyone else's. This is simply because my eyes are tainted with ignorance and closed-mindedness. I see what I want to see, not what is. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand."
Fixed.
If all that fails, explain why the actual maritime or travelling routes work, why we see different stars depending on the hemisphere we are and why the seasons. Or has God another definition that we can´t see because of sin but, nonetheless, hasn´t prevented us from inventing innovation that were never shown in the Bible but that you use in your daily life?
Hm, maybe that "God"-figure is a 4-dimensional being, so our 3dimensional world looks to him like 2dimensional image looks to us - "flat".
Only problems are 1.) the bible was written for humans, not for beings who can see the 4th dimension, 2.) It would imply thta by becomeing pure one gains transcendency (no part of christian theology, right?), 3.) I stole that explanation from a game (one they'd be horrified of if they knew it, at that)
We see what we want to see, not what is.
Precisely! That's what makes you believe that an ancient book holds all the secrets of the universe!
We see what we want to see, not what is.
Why would anyone want to see a sphere instead of a plane, to the point of deceiving themselves? It's Bible nuts who try to "see" what's in the Bible at all costs, regardless of obvious reality.
You guys are being way too hard on poor Burden. What you don't understand is that, since God only cares about the United States, he remains in geosynchronous orbit over our magnificent land. That makes it *appear* to God as though the Earth is flat, and since he never visits other countries or people, he never has to deal with the planet's SUPPOSED round-ness.
If you took your cue from God and ignored the rest of the heathen world, the Earth would finally appear flat to you as well, placing you safely in agreement with God.
Either that, or God is using a Mercator projection.
We see what we want to see, not what is.
ok, true in some cases. but not in SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN ONES.
Sin and doubt make flat look round? So, does that mean if I give up my sinful ways and accept Jesus, all the fat chicks I know will suddenly turn hot? Hey, they might get more converts if they keep up that line of reasoning.
But, God knows our definition of flat. Therefore he used his definition knowing it would cause confusion. God is a deciever or at least doesn't care if we know the truth, which could lead to a lot more of "mistranslations" from Godese to Greek, as other posters pointed out. How do you know God doesn't really want us to be atheists until he shows up with proof and the whole "faith" thing wasn't wrong?
Well, even if God existed in the 4th dimension, where would his planet be? The inverse square law doesn't exist there, but is replaced by the inverse cube law, so life is not possible.
@JustinM
If God sees in four spatial dimensions, he has a point.
Until he can prove it, though, bollocks...
Er, actually, if God was capable of seeing in four dimensions, the Earth would be even less flat to him, possessing yet another viewable dimension. It wouldn't look flat to anyone capable of seeing it in at least three dimensions. Just wanted to clear that up. ^_^
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