[Regarding the pro-choice bodily autonomy argument]
Men lost their "right" to bodily autonomy when they where drafted into the military to defend not only our lives, but our freedom as well. We would probably not be where we are today if it wasn't for them.
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And this is why I'm glad the draft was ended and why I think it should never be adopted again. Nobody should have to go risk their life against their will.
At any rate, this isn't even a good analogy.
"when they where drafted into the military to defend not only our lives, but our freedom as well."
They were sent to Iraq to defend Halliburtons profits and Dick Cheneys bank account.
...and who supplied them with all that materiel during WWII?
If it wasn't for all those Rosie the Riveters who ensured that the real men - and not milquetoast 'Keyboard Warriors' such as you - got what they needed, you most probably would have no rights today: mostly because you wouldn't even exist to be able to whine the way you are today.
Said Rosie the Riveters who supplied the Allies did their part for the home front: just so's they would have the right to not become baby factories. Can you say 'Lebensborn'? I know you can.
I've used this argument against extremist pro-choicers who say that forcing a woman to carry after 5 months is an absolutely unique infringement of 'bodily rights' that no-one else faces. As noted by the poster above, the loss of bodily autonomy is not unique at all (although the circumstances are quite different and of course legitimate arguments can be made on that basis).
@Warren McIntosh:
I've used this argument against extremist pro-choicers who say that forcing a woman to carry after 5 months is an absolutely unique infringement of 'bodily rights' that no-one else faces.
You might be able to argue that the draft is a violation of bodily integrity, as it places restrictions on where you can go and what you can do. However, draftees do not have another organism inserted into them which is basically using their body and organs as a life support system and being told that they cannot do anything about it, possibly even to the point where risks to their own health and/or life not being a good enough reason to get this organism removed.
The last time a draft was instated was in 1969 and ended in 1973. Things have changed a lot since then as well as how the draft was to be handled in 1971. In today's military, everyone is of voluntary service. That really blows the how "lost autonomy" theory of yours out of the water.
Did you have any other points to make Anonymous?
I am (and always have been) against drafting people against their will. Either it should be voluntary, or all young people should be trained as defenders, regardless of gender, and firefighters, nurses, doctors etc, should also be seen as defenders.
Anon, how much bodily autonomy do you think you should have over your body after death? Those organs in there can, if you died in the "right" way, save the lives of perhaps ten people. Are ten-odd living, breathing, feeling people less important than one non-sentient lump of cells?
“Men lost their "right" to bodily autonomy when they where drafted into the military to defend not only our lives, but our freedom as well.”
“We would probably not be where we are today if it wasn't for them.”
But we don’t draft NOW, so it’s a poor argument and even when i was enlisted, they could not make me donate blood or organs if i didn’t want to.
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