One of the myths spread in leftist academics is that highly-educated civilizations naturally progress toward some higher moral order. But, history shows that advanced civilizations 'progress' just as ours is 'progressing' -- away from God and Truth, and toward some form of paganism, relativism, madness and self-destruction.
It's a matter of a mere alteration of mankind's natural religious inclinations. Now we worship the earth, the environment, tolerance, relativism, diversity... all the saccharine, sterile, and synthetic progressive virtues. This has always foreshadowed the death of a civilization. And it explains the historical truism: where there is nature worship, there you will find human sacrifice. The unborn, the elderly, the handicapped are willingly sacrificed in the name of 'progress'. The poster above is a deception because progressive ideology will never allow a pledge to "all the life".
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Well documented statistical imformation shows a higher level of atheism leads to more peaceful, freer countries. It also demonstrates the opposite in highly religious countries with those that are goverment ruled by religion being the worst.
Fail at history, world knowledge, research and honesty. Failure at life in general I sispect too
No. Highly-educated civilizations naturally progress toward a moral order of some sort. There is no "higher"; it is more complex than a simple ladder.
I'm sorry, are you implying that we need to go back to the Dark Ages?
Who worships those things other than crazy flower-child types? We LIKE the environment, tolerance, and diversity. We need to preserve and promote them. That doesn't mean we worship them.
Oh, and logical disconnect there: how do you go from "love diversity and tolerance" to "Nazi eugenics"?
"But, history shows that advanced civilizations 'progress' just as ours is 'progressing' -- away from God and Truth, and toward some form of paganism, relativism, madness and self-destruction."
Ummm...you know there were civilisations around before the Jewish/Christian/Islamic God, right?
Lets see:
Jewish civilization according to the bible (i.e. gods chosen people):
Had slavery, commited genocides, women were suppressed in their society (and stoned if they got raped or sold to their rapist) and people who didn´t believe in the "right god" got killed.
Christian civilizations in the medieval ages (when faith dominated society ):
Waged war just because of different faiths and had no scruples concerning commiting atrocities, often had slavery installed, had severe restrictions on medical research [religious prohibitions against disseciton of human bodies and, after all, illnesses werecaused by demons and sin]) as well as most other research, women once again were treated like second class humans and if people were suspected to be witches/servants of Satan there fate usually was torture followed by a fiery death. Also certain people of other races/ religions were seen as subhumans, who could also become human by being converted by fire and sword. You also had antisemitism (even Martin Luther became an antisemite when he discovered that he couldn´t convert the jews to the christian faith)
Now lets see the immoral changes that came with rising secularism in society:
Lots of research, resulting in medicines for most diseases that killed medieval people as well as other advances in technology and a society with religious freedom, in which peple (more or less) are respected regardless of gender or race.
Now we worship the earth, the environment, tolerance, relativism, diversity... all the saccharine, sterile, and synthetic progressive virtues. This has always foreshadowed the death of a civilization.
Yeah, because the Holy Roman Empire worked just great , didn't it? XD
The truth is, your god demands that you engage in a crusade against heresy and paganism, while at the same time he demands that his Muslims engage in Jihad against the infidel, while at the same time he demands that his Zionists eliminate all the unbelievers from the land he promised them.
This is why advanced civilizations ignore your god.
"Now we worship the earth, the environment, tolerance, relativism, diversity... all the saccharine, sterile, and synthetic progressive virtues. This has always foreshadowed the death of a civilization."
Yes, because Christians came along and nearly killed them all.
"And it explains the historical truism: where there is nature worship, there you will find human sacrifice. The unborn, the elderly, the handicapped are willingly sacrificed in the name of 'progress'."
Like faith healers and anti-medicine believers who allow their children to die, rather than get medical care? Or the people who deny medical care to those who can't afford it when in other places it's as free of charge as the fire department, police department, and national defense?
Except that so much of our progress in medication is focused on keeping the elderly and the handicapped alive. But hey, let's just ignore the obvious and blame progress! If we're lucky, we'll go back into the dark ages before we progress any more!
But, history shows that advanced civilizations 'progress' just as ours is 'progressing' -- away from God and Truth, and toward some form of paganism, relativism, madness and self-destruction.
Yeah, like when we used to acknowledge that lightning was God's judgment on us, and then some damn atheist said "lightning isn't from God - it's just static electricity" and led us into unbelief. And we knew that the Plague was God being angry with us, so we moved closer to God: we crawled to the church on our knees, we carried the host in a monstrance around the perimeter of our cities and prayed our asses off. Then some atheistic scientists made up a lot of nonsense about fleas and little animals you can't even see and said they could cure it by giving us stuff made from other little animals you can't see, called strepto-something-or-others. What a load of baloney! Plus everyone knows the planets are moved around by angels. God put the planets there for signs. That's how God sends us messages. It says so right in Genesis 1:14. But once again we've moved away from Him. We've "progressed" and our kids are taught that the planets just coast around by inertia. How can God give us signs if the planets are just in gravitational free-fall? Plus we used to beat the crap out of homos, and now we can't do that anymore, and they're even teaching our kids not to do it, even though we know that God Hates Fags (© Westboro Baptist Church).
Ha. I like this definition of worship: "Worship literally means "worth-ship". Giving worth to something." In that case, yes, I worship the earth, the environment, tolerance (to a degree; stupid ideas can't be tolerated), diversity, morality, and the cat family. Otherwise I do not sing songs about or make sacrifices to them. I don't attend services about them. I don't pray to them. You have things you care about and would work to protect (that are not related at all to gods or churches), yes? It's like that.
"The unborn, the elderly, the handicapped are willingly sacrificed in the name of 'progress'."
Uhm, no, they're not.
"progressive ideology will never allow a pledge to "all the life""
And what exactly do you base this on? Your idea of "progressive human sacrifice" that's not a reality?
"One of the myths spread in leftist academics is that highly-educated civilizations naturally progress toward some higher moral order."
There seems to be a pattern of really smart people disagreeing with you, what pattern could that be? Perhaps that they are right and you are stupid?
You worship a god that demanded human sacrifice in exchange for your absolution. You worship a god that used to demand animal sacrifice for the very same thing until apparently he got fed up with sheep and goats and changed the rules so that a single tasty human sacrifice would be enough from thence forward.
Nature worship has nothing to do with human sacrifice. Christianity, however you want to paint it, has its entire basis in human sacrifice. The Earth and nature have given me a damn sight more to worship and respect than your bloodthirsty vengeful god ever has.
1. When did "tolerance" and "environmentalism" become bad words?
2. In this advanced society you are describing, wouldn't there be FEWER unwanted pregnancies, handicapped children and disabled elderly due to better medical care, nutrition and a more intelligent populace?
One of the myths spread in leftist academics is that highly-educated civilizations naturally progress toward some higher moral order. But, history shows that advanced civilizations 'progress' just as ours is 'progressing' -- away from God and Truth, and toward some form of paganism, relativism, madness and self-destruction.
Now if only he could make the next logical step in the progression...
Dammit. I wrote a big long-ass comment to that stupid, stupid post and most of the comments under it. I just feel the need because they made me so damned exasperated with their "preserving the environment on a planet that is essential for our survival is EVIL"-bullshit. But of course it turns out that they had turned commenting off, without making this clear until after you've written your comment and tried to post it.
*sigh* Stupid site.
Well, I mean, it's moonbattery - that it's a stupid site says itself. But stupid site design as well.
I didn't know something could be saccharine and sterile at the same time...... But anyway...
"where there is nature worship, there you will find human sacrifice."
I've heard the same thing attributed to Satanism, paganism, and everything else Christians hate. But you really want to know where human sacrifice is? Go read Judges 11:29-39.
God helped Jephthah slaughter a bunch of people after he promised he would sacrifice to God the first thing that came out of his house to greet him when he returned. Turned out to be his daughter. I wonder if God planned that? Because, unlike Abraham, God did nothing to stop him from burning her at the stake.
Yeah, not the most famous Bible story. It's certainly not as celebrated as that guy Jesus being God's human sacrifice to himself in order to make himself happy with humans.
Oh, how could humans possibly hope to progress toward a higher moral order than that?
"One of the myths spread in leftist academics is that highly-educated civilizations naturally progress toward some higher moral order"
Well that is totally wrong, so the rest of your post is just wrong squared.
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