I've been going back and forth over an important issue of our time and would like to know your thoughts. If the Muslims start to take over America, and are about to rape my daughter and cut my grandson in half, can we kill them? I'm torn between "turning the other cheek" and "love our enemies" with Luke 22:36: Then He said to them (the disciples), "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
I know many Christians who are arming themselves but not sure how God really feels about this. Comments please?
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"an important issue of our time", hm...?
I'm pretty certain that you'd be justified in protecting your loved ones, but I'm afraid that if such an attack would occur, it wouldn't necessarily come from any particular religion.
In what way are you afraid of the "Muslims taking over"?
If the Muslims start to take over America, and are about to rape my daughter and cut my grandson in half
None of which will ever happen.
No, dogma does not permit killing them even under those circumstance. It is permissible, however, to indicate that you disapprove of their action, and that it is likely to make you cranky for the rest of the day.
There's already a Sharia court in Irving, Texas.
No 'Sharia' here in the UK. And we have a state religion, the Church of England.
You lot threw away you chance in that 'War of Independence', so I'd say that your 'God's Hand of Protection was removed way before now.
You're on your own, o fundies.
Ye who liveth by the sword shall die by it, and all that jazz...!
Post-Dunblane Britain. A zero tolerance policy on even carrying knives in public here. You do the maths, Patty.
If the Muslims start to take over America, and are about to rape my daughter and cut my grandson in half
Right! Because that's what Muslims do. At least three times a day, every day.
And don't forget: they'll crucify all the pastors.
Part of me is looking at this as Poe.
However, if serious, then you should turn the other cheek. Your god is big on martyrs.
Well, the Bible is never wrong, so I guess you have to do both. Same with "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Romans 3:28) and "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:24)
The point of taking the swords was not to actually use them but to make Jesus look more "guilty" to the arresting officials. His whole plan, according the story, was to have himself killed, wipe away the world's bad karma and come back to life.
Also, swords made sense from a self-defense standpoint. There were bandits on the highways at night. Peter attacked that guy because, like you, Patreesha, he misunderstood because he was a hotheaded idiot at the time.
And no; There are no marauding mythical Muslim hordes coming down upon the nation to turn it into "The United States of Allah"....most Muslims hate Wahhabi/terrorist/IslamoFrum nuts.
Ask the Native Americans what they think, honey.
None of the Muslims I know have ever tried to rape me or to cut my son in half. Mostly because most of them are women, and I don't have any sons, or daughters.
Do you actually know any Muslims personally, dearie?
Confused?
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