What? A pastor with long hair? *
1 Cor. 11:14 says that it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair. For the most part I agree. So then why? Because the church is operating today in a state of disgrace and does not even see it.
Let me explain. The church has been here in New England from its conception, and New England is considered an unreached people group by many mission organizations.
Please pray and obey for revival, I WANT A HAIRCUT!
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Golly, if Numbers 6:5, Judges 13:5, and 1 Samuel 1:11 all say that long hair is a must (never mind the scripture that says not to "round the corners of your head", and 1 Corinthians 11:14 says a man must not have long hair, I'm guessing there's a contradiction in the Bible (gasp!).
Numbers 6:5
Judges 13:5
1 Samuel 1:11
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/hair.html
So, uh, what's the deal?
The church has been here in New England from its conception, and New England is considered an unreached people group by many mission organizations.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That is all one can say to this level of stupidity.
Hell, if trying to reach New Englanders (who have surely heard of Jesus by now. . .) keeps you from going and ruining the lives of non-Christian people around the globe, I'm all for whatever it is you're trying to prove.
While I don't agree with this viewpoint, the business with the Nazarites is not strictly speaking a contradiction. Those are prescriptions for one particular group of people who took particular vows. These are now extremely uncommon because the vow can now only be life-long.
It doesn't necessarily follow from the Nazirite vow that long hair is better any more than it follows that drinking grape juice is evil.
I love how they complain about Nazarites, when Jesus' title was LORD OF NAZARETH.
So you're protesting disgrace...by disgracing yourself?
Isn't that like saying "I don't like murderers, so I'm going to kill a whole bunch of people"?
Yes, I'm sure this is going to work. 120%. Any day now.
If you hold your breath, sonny, it might - just might - go faster. Worth a try, don't you think?
has this stricture got anything to do with the fact that Saul/Paul was probably gay and really went for butch, cleanshaven, shorthaired Roman soldiers, rather than the more faggy long-haired dudes?
The church has been here in New England from its conception, and New England is considered an unreached people group by many mission organizations.
The other day there was a quote or comment here about how a friend of his was a missionary in New England, and I thought "Huh, interesting." I think they know that they are losing the social revolution, and somehow still think that the reason people in Massachusetts allow gay marraige is because they just "don't know Jesus because they're blinded to the truth by the liberal agenda."
And not because, you know, people who are educated and socially grown-the-fuck-up tend to care about things like the economy rather than what the angry ramblings of Jews 2000+ years ago were.
I think that by the time my generation is fully in power (teens to 20s) gays will definitely be able to vote all over the country.
It's religious apathy and anger that make people "reject" Jesus, not dem ebil LIBRULS!!!
Thanks you for pointing up yet another contradiction in the inerrant Bible....
Long hair, Sampson. Short hair, Paul.
I simply love the inerrancy this shows.
Pastor, You are quite off the wall. Just make sure that you keep your long hair washed and free from head lice, and that you don't look a prat by having a bald crown and long hair only on the sides of the head.
As to New England, what did the people there do to deserve your attention? Leave them alone and keep you lunacies to yourself.
Nazorite vs. Corinthians--can't wait to see how this plays out.
Personally, I think that if the length of his hair would actually do any good, that people would suddenly start leaving his church once he shaved his head. Sort of like that other Nazorite nobody remembers--I think his name was Sampson.
:)
"The church for the most part has become impotent (the church, not Christ)"
How can Christs church be impotent, if Christ is omnipotent? Must be all those iron chariots.
It is true that 1 Coninthians 11:14 said it's shameful for a man to have long hair.
However...
Numbers 6:5
Judges 13:5
1 Samuel 1:11
Yes, New England, home of the Salem witch trials and the first place the Puritans landed to escape the House of Stuart's persecution*, is unreached by Christianity. WTF?
* "persecution" meaning "being denied the right to burn Catholics", of course.
Hmm. Well, first off, my fundie upbringing in New England highly disagrees with you. And secondly, thank you for finally acknowledging that the Bible contradicts itself. At last.
Perhaps your church would experience a revival if you were to provide help to he poor and afflicted, the way your savior taught you.
Naw, not cutting your hair is definitely the better way to go.
Didn't Jesus have long hair? -- Turtle
Nobody knows if Jesus had long hair or short hair. He could even have been bald, for all we know.
Nobody knows if Jesus had long hair or short hair. He could even have been bald, for all we know.
Yeah, but the version of Jesus that these people believe in always is depicted with long hair, even if the actual Jesus that may or may not have existed didn't have it (or even hair of the color they think he had, for that matter.)
Nobody knows if Jesus had long hair or short hair. He could even have been bald, for all we know.
Yeah, but the version of Jesus that these people believe in always is depicted with long hair, even if the actual Jesus that may or may not have existed didn't have it (or even hair of the color they think he had, for that matter.)
"1 Cor. 11:14 says that it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair."
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In that case, you worship a disgrace.
"in keeping with Numbers 6:5, I have made a vow before God that no razor shall touch my hair until the church is revived and is moving with the presence of God to do His will on earth as it is in Heaven"
I'll give you six months at most. You're going to end up like Howard Hughes before that happens - or the naked ascetic in "Monty Python's Life of Brian" who'd swore a vow of silence before Brian fell onto him. Before long, you'll either be itching* to visit a barber's shop, or want to convert to Sikhism (not cutting the hair is one of the 'Five K's' for males).
*- For years now, I've tried to grow a beard & moustache. Without fail, after a week, ten days at most, I have to shave - it itches like buggery! And I always keep my hair fairly short (a 'Number 3' in barbers' parlance) for practical purposes - it dries quicker after I've been in the shower. And no combing necessary.
Turtle wrote:
"Didn't Jesus have long hair?" Not in the 1965 movie "The Greatest Story Ever Told", He didn't!
(Well, okay, the Jesus hair in that movie was kinda-sorta on the way to being a Page Boy haircut. But "long" hair? Nevar!)
"Nobody knows if Jesus had long hair or short hair. He could even have been bald, for all we know."
Or non-existent. Just saying.
So you want people at Rapture Ready to pray for the New England states to become a fundementalist Christian section much like pockets of the South are to your liking and won't cut you hair until it happens?
Ummm, okay. Good luck on that.
"New England is considered an unreached people group by many mission organizations."
Yes, there are absolutely no Christian churches anywhere in New England. Probably because the natives there can be quite hostile to missionaries, even to the point of eating them.
"Didn't Jesus have long hair?"
Not Republican Jesus.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what he is talking about, and although no one will ever read tis on the second page, he means he has taken the Nazirite oath. This is an oath taken by an ancient Israelite as a special form of prayer. The Nazirite states what he wishes to accomplish and agrees to mortify himself until God achieves whatever it is. The mortification consists, among other things, of not cutting one's hair. Samson is the archetypical Nazirite. Some NT scholars believe that Jesus and his brother James may have been Nazirites (although the NT does not say so explicitly; it would have seemed too Jewsh by the time the Gospels were written).
The punch line is, something else the Nazirite gave up besides hair cutting, was bathing. So I wonder is this hippy has stopped bathing too and what his congregation thinks of that?
Reading more comments, I see that those who claim there is a contradiction between Samson's long hair and Paul condemning long hair, are msitaken. Thepoint of the Nazirite oath is that having long hair is bad, and the Nazirite will punish himself by enduring having long hair until God does whatever it is the Nazirite wants. So both texts agree that long hair is bad
Helena, forget Nazarite kibosh. Men having short hair is a relatively new notion(and look haredim Jews, for God's sake, no pun intended, tell me if they consider long hair BAD). He is trying to look an out-of-context part of the Bible(which, in any case, it's the OPINION of one of Jesus disciples)to justify, as usual, his rigid victorian notions of property, in an effort to control other peoples' lives. The same goes with smoking is a sin, or that drinking alcohol is a sin(fail again).
Let me see...the guy is a preacher, he's all for God and Jesus, who he believes hate long hair. So he's going to grow it long.
"OK, God, between you and that fat bastard at the North Pole I still have not got the train set. I'll show you - give me what I want or I'll...I'll...I won't cut my hair, that's what I won't. Or bathe either. Yeah, that's the ticket. That will show you! a thing or two.
"Nobody knows if Jesus had long hair or short hair. He could even have been bald, for all we know."
Even so, all the mainstream depictions of Jesus show him with long hair. More proof that Christians don't read their own holy books, if nothing else.
"Or non-existent. Just saying."
That there was a historical Jesus is something that can be supported by historical documents. That he was divine , not so much.
Are you sure that the Bible says so?. Because Samson and Jesus, TO NAME A FEW, had long hair. I mean, if God was so preoccupied with long hair, he would have made men bald, don´t you think?
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