"good" people? what's that?
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"good" people? what's that?
I think I might have an answer... Good people are the folks whose actions are deemed good by other people or by the current zeitgeist.
Either you humble yourself and accept His free offer of salvation thru Jesus
You know, pointing a gun at someone and demanding specific actions isn't a free offering. It's making people do shit, "or else"
or you can't humble yourself reject Jesus and send yourself to hell
I won't send myself to hell... If (and that's a pretty damn big if) I get sent to hell it will be by a deity's decision, not by mine. It says even in the damn scripture that god is the one who will judge the dead.
Cut and dry. Black and white.
Nothing is this simple... Accepting Jesus isn't a 100% guaranteed ticket to heaven. You don't know what criteria your deity uses to enact judgement and the bible sure as shit isn't clear on the issue.
"No such thing as good people in my opinion."
That's because your opinion is so very small that nothing can fit inside it.
It's one thing to be depressed.
I like this Freudian slip:
"the way I see it there are two kinds of people...saved or lost. Simple as that. No such thing as "good" people in God's eyes."
Apparently god has the exact same moral views as the Gilgal. I wonder why...
What a petty, insignificant life you must be leading, if all this is, is a chance for you to say "Yes, Jesus, yes!" and that's all. What the heck do you keep on living for?
Only children see things as that black or white. Normal people grow out of that viewpoint and realize there are seldom just two choices, and mostly they are both good and bad at the same time.
So you don't see people like Ramirez, Ian Brady, Ed Gein and others as evil nor Gandhi as good? Nice view of the world there. So a saved person who goes about killing and raping is ok? Or they aren't good?
And that is why your god is a selfish, capricious tyrant devoid of love. Any god who only looks favorably on people who kiss his ass 24/7 is not a god worth worshiping, however powerful it might be. Yes, there ARE good people in the world. And not only are they good, they are far better than the monstrous bogeyman you call a god.
>>Celianna
I'd rather all Christians say it like this; because that's all that really matters to them. Accept Jesus, to hell with kindness! <<
Please do not make blanket generalizations about Christians. Stereotyping them is as bad as some of them stereotyping you.
The trouble with this one is that, although crudely expressed, it's more or less orthodox Christianity. It should bring non-fundie Christians up short and make them ask themselves: hang about, do we really believe this stuff? How about the General Confession, from the Book of Common Prayer on which many English Christians were brought up and some still use:
We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us.
Even we worshipping people are not good, unless we accept the pardoning grace of Christ.
One reason that so many intelligent, decent and spiritually minded people have abandoned orthodox Christianity is that they are fed up of this abject "woe is me, wretched sinner that I am" prostrating themselves before a hot-tempered God. They know that people, including them but also many others who have no religious faith, are capable of doing good things: and that many believers - the "saved" presumably - fall from grace in a big way. Truth is that belief in God and being a good person don't co-relate - as fundies, but not just fundies, try to pretend they do.
Oh ok, no good people. Only accepting Jesus/not accepting Jesus. So uh, that morality thing that many, many Christians insist proves there must be a God. What's that for then?
I became an atheist because of this very issue.
When I was a kid I dreaded the thought of confession; after all, god can see me do all those things, right? Why would I need to tell the scary priest about it? But the priest said if I didn't go to confession I'd be a sinner and thus off to hell with me.
So I told him "what if I'm a good boy and I'm nice to people and do good things?". You can guess the reply he gave me: stick to the rules, believe, blah blah blah or go to hell, no matter how good you are.
So i basically said "fuck that, i'm outta here". And when i grew up, did some research I came to the conclusion that this god stuff is a lot of shite meant to control people, big part of that being confession.
>>#1236861
You are only correct for certain definitions of "orthodox Christianity". The Roman Catholic Church has taught a very different message, at least since Vatican II.
Again, we should avoid stereotyping as much as we can, least we stray into fundie territory ourselves.
Translation:
"I'm too damn lazy, selfish and cheap to get up off my ass and help others, and these damn do-gooders are making me look bad. So I'm joining this sorry-ass excuse of a cop out religion, where I can just sit on my fat lazy ass and make holier-than-thou comments on the internet all day. The fact that Jesus taught, believed and lived the former is entirely beside the point."
@Some Guy-
When I was about 8 our CCD class was preparing for our first confession. I was a pretty quite, content, easy going child at the time, and was usually pretty good most of the time.
And that stuck with me until my late 20's when I quit the church for good.
@from the frozen north:
Actually, the criteria are laid out quite clearly in Matthew 25:34-46. Unfortunately, this is one of those passages that "real Bible-believing Christians" tend to gloss over. Probably so they can continue to be immoral assholes and still have their Get-Out-Of-Hell-Free Card.
People aren't good, even if they think they are? Isn't this the same argument that Kirk Cameron was using to people on the street when he asked them if they were good people, and then telling them they weren't if they didn't accept Jesus? It was unconvincing when he did it and it's unconvincing when other fundies do it. Mainly because this means Fred Phelps is going to heaven.
Damn, so what the hell am I doing wasting time doing charity work and helping others while being honest with myself by admitting that I don't believe in god? I should be out robbing banks, conning gullible people, and defrauding the government of taxpayers' money while wearing a cross around my neck. I certainly wouldn't be as burdened by debt as I am now, in fact, I'd be living a life of luxury! And according to you I'd go to heaven on top of all of that! Thank you for making me see the error of my ways, now, what's your address? I'd really love to steal that computer you've got...in Jesus' name of course.
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. 42 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
Well, your opinion is asinine and totally disconnected from the real world, as usual, have a splendiforous day!
Low,
sorry for the delay, but we down here had some pretty tiring nanoseconds of work to organize all the new souls after the 1 mi diameter comet will hit 2012 the middle west. But it was BIG fun with all the astonished faces of the bible-thumpers.
CU in Hell
"send yourself to hell"
It is important for current fundies to make jeebus to look as peaceful and innocent as possible...he doesnt even throw the unsaved into the hell he created anymore...the sinners are throwing themselves into it.
Ask a fundy who created and controls Hell...watch them scurry around the topic..they dont want to admit that Jesus is the Lord of Hell, and they worship the Lord of Hellfire.
Fundies don't read their Bible.
"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."
Don't pay any attention to these fools and wolves, Gilgal. You have the Word of God as your armor and your sword. Christ at the cross was perfection. Stick close to the word, these mockers and God haters are only growing more numerous.
God's "free gift" of salvation isn't free since I have to kiss his ass in order to get it. It is slavery, so you can keep your so-called "free" gift.
In order to make appeals to divine authority, you must first prove its existence.
Until then, would you kindly shut the hell up.
... So if you're right, then God doesn't care about morality, meaning that you shouldn't care about what people do in their lives, and should stop trying to legislate your morality and religion.
No such thing as "good" people in God's eyes. = No such thing as good people in my opinion.
Arrogance, or convenience?
...Am I the only one who's worried that Gilgal REALLY IS saying that not only is God the only one who is good, but that he's essentially the only one PERMITTED to be good? With the whole everything-including-the-Passion planned out long before the Creation conceit, it starts sounding like God somehow thought it right and proper to make it impossible for anything to be good on its own. I'm not sure how this makes God good outside of tautology...
Don't pay any attention to these fools and wolves, Gilgal. You have the Word of God as your armor and your sword.
Pfft. Bringing an (oversized) knife to a gun-fight. Monotoned thinking in a world filled to the brim with gradients is no way to live.
Ironically, what you're saying isn't actually all that far from what God and Jesus ACTUALLY think, according to the Bible. But that doesn't mean you have to think that way. Oh wait, you're incapable of thinking for yourself, you need a book to form your opinions for you.
@WarGamer
Your "Word of God" is nothing of the sort.
Interesting you quoted Psalms. Wanna take another verse from that same book - 137:9 and tell me where your heart lies? Do you say in your heart that it is fun and happy to smash babies against rocks?
The fool is the one that takes any material for which there is no evidence and accepts it literally and without question.
The Bible is one such collection of material.
Tell people they are bad, and they will be bad. Tell people they are good, and they will be good. That's why your religion is f*cked. We should be concentrating on the good of this world, not the bad.
"'good' people? what's that?"
- If your primary social outlet is Rapture Ready, I can understand why you would be confused.
"Good" people are people with morals, such as atheists and some moderate Christians. Fundies, on the other hand, are bad people.
Unfortunately it is the bad people who usually end up in Heaven, according to the fundies anyways.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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