Let me ask you guys a question. Let's say there was a large building about to be demolished or burned down. There may or may not be 55 million innocent people inside this building. You ask the demolition crew if they've checked to see whether there are any people in this building, and they respond with "It's difficult to decide," or "I don't care much" or "I have mixed feelings on it." The logical thing to do is withhold destroying the building until you know with absolute certainty that no lives would be lost because of your actions.
The point is, only a morally bankrupt person would support the possible extermination of 55 million lives. I don't care if it's in the name of bodily autonomy or choice or whatever, nothing is more sacred and important and worthy of protecting than innocent human life. If the demolition chief even said, "I am 99% sure there is no human life in that building," even that would never be considered acceptable. Someone would be considered a fool to risk 55 million lives on a 99% chance. And not just a fool, a deranged, morally bankrupt lunatic. That's what I see when I hear people say they're pro-choice but have mixed feelings on abortion.
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The point is, if you cared one bit you would not whine on a friggin' game site! You would try to change the system so that fewer women would even think about abortion! Or at the very least you would bomb a clinic! But you would do SOMETHING!
I'm sorry for shouting, my tolerance of fools, deranged, morally bankrupt lunatics is particularly low today.
for most part, the mixed feeling is not about the question of embryo's life. they are about the situation because everyone can accept the claim that in perfect world there wouldn't be abortions. if pregnancy will only happen for willing parents, capable of taking care of the baby and with no health risk involved (for the mother or the embryo), there will be no abortions.
however, the world is not perfect. that why the way to decrease abortions' rate is sex ed, Contraception, and investments in welfare and healthcare (as well as steps to decrease rape's rate). most of the pro-choice agenda is about improving the world at whole. abortion's ban do nothing but punish the women.
I just clicked on the link, and hoo boy. I think there needs to be an award for fallacy of analogy.
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"There may or may not be 55 million innocent people inside this building."
So, it's quite a big building then?
You are a rather silly person.
First of all; How many unwanted children have you adopted, C_Mat?
Second; 55 million bits of UNWANTED, NON-SELF-AWARE goo with human DNA that CANNOT SUSTAIN THEMSELVES.
Sounds more like a building full of cancer tumors; blow it up.
You ask the demolition crew if they've checked to see whether there are any people in this building, and they respond with "Absolutely not. A dot is not a person. Besides, what kind of building could hold 55 million people? How would you make a plumbing system that could flush 55 million people worth of waste? How could you make a sewage processing system for 55 million people? How would you make an air conditioning system that could dispose of the body heat of 55 million people?
How would you deliver enought food.
Better go back and rethink this.
No, you nitwits are saying "there are 55 million people in that building" and the demolition team is trying to jackhammer into your thick, empty skulls that a sperm bank is not a fucking city of tiny people.
If you ask a pregnant woman how many children she has, will she count the one in her womb? Or will she say I have two, and one on the way? She won't say I HAVE a baby, but I'm EXPECTING a baby, or I'm GOING to have a baby. It's not completely a baby until it's born, ya know. Some 50- 85 percent of fertilized eggs don't make it to a live birth, but are miscarried along the way. We all know this so we generally don't see the fetus as really existing until it's born and alive.
In the old days, before proper medical care and hygiene existed, this high death risk existed up to five years of age, so you tried not to engage yourself too much in the children until they passed this critical point. And, you had eight, ten, fifteen kids to make sure that at least four or so lived to adulthood and could take care of you when you grew old.
I'm pro-choice as I can't and won't decide whether another person is capable, physically and mentally, to have and care for a child.
If the building had 55 million cell cultures of undifferentiated human cells in it, it would not be murder. Destruction of property, perhaps, but not murder.
Comparing the abortion of one fetus to the hypothetical deaths of 55 million people does neither justice. Either you're putting far, far more importance on a single fetus than any rational human being on either side of the debate should, or you're not nearly as bothered as you should be by the prospect of one person in a demolition crew killing 55 million people because he decided to be a lazy ass and ignore protocol so he could see some fireworks a little sooner than normal.
the society , of which youy may be a member, has decided that woman have the right to abortion as a matter of choice with some limits on the age of the fetus.
If you want to change that you need to convince people to change the law.
Confused?
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