The probability of a human brain coming into existence is very low. Astronomically so, even given billions of years which most secular humanists believe in. The odds of the complexities of the human brain coming about by sheer chance are incredibly low.
However, the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower. Abysmally low.
Therefore, for the rational atheist, (Is that an oxymoron? True materialists don't actually believe in the mind....) it is far more likely that only you actually exist, and that everything else is an illusion. That's just so much more probable than that six billion plus brains came into existence randomly. Isn't it?
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Not even getting into the fact that the mutations are random, but natural selection is, for the most part, not.
It seems the "improbability of evolution" meme is quite popular in the fundysphere.
There are two problems with the idea. The first is that it assumes that there is only one possible "right" outcome. In reality (e.g ideas of abiogenesis) there are many possible outcomes that would work.
The second problem is that it ignores any process and assumes a purely random system. For Darwinian evolution, the process involves heredity, mutation, and selection.
Organisms don't just pop into existence. They evolve from their ancestors.
The brain is not as complex as this idiot thinks, but of course, any time something puzzling or complex is involved (that requires actual understanding of science), religion comes into play. Ra made our brains. Allah made our brains. Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit made our brains. Father Wind made our brains. Whatever.
"by sheer chance"
"the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower."
Well, it's a good thing we evolved instead of using a brute-force algorithm.
you know that term you use "astornomically" it means something colose to:x/(the numbers of stars in the universe)
well...guess what, there's apparently life on at least 1 planet orbiting 1 sun... that IS astronomically.
"The probability of a human brain coming into existence is very low. Astronomically so, even given billions of years which most secular humanists believe in. The odds of the complexities of the human brain coming about by sheer chance are incredibly low."
How did you arrive at your calculations? Show your work. Explain all assumptions made.
"However, the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower. Abysmally low."
Wow. I see you have no clue about human, or any other creature's, embryonic development.
"Therefore, for the rational atheist, (Is that an oxymoron? True materialists don't actually believe in the mind....) it is far more likely that only you actually exist, and that everything else is an illusion."
That's what's known as solipsism and, while an amusing idea, isn't exactly a defensible one to hold.
"That's just so much more probable than that six billion plus brains came into existence randomly. Isn't it?"
No.
The probability of a human brain coming into existence is very low. Astronomically so, even given billions of years which most secular humanists believe in. The odds of the complexities of the human brain coming about by sheer chance are incredibly low.
However, the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower. Abysmally low.
[The way I see it]
Adding a god into the equation might on the surface sound like it explain why we ended up like we did... but in the end, it's really just begging the question. You go from "why did Evolution 'choose' the species it did" to "why did God choose the species He did", and reduce the odds even more.
Therefore, for the rational atheist, (Is that an oxymoron? True materialists don't actually believe in the mind....)
How on Earth do you figure that?
it is far more likely that only you actually exist, and that everything else is an illusion. That's just so much more probable than that six billion plus brains came into existence randomly. Isn't it?
Er, why?
"six billion plus brains came into existence"
* Anencephaly (Q00.0)
EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
REPRODUCTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
MATERIALISM DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
ATHEISM/OXYMORONS DOESN'T/DON'T WORK THAT WAY!
However, the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower.
You seem to assume that out of random matter, a human brain just spontaneously formed. However, evolution describes its development quite clearly and logically. It's not random chance, it's natural development. Learn something, will ya?
"The probability of a human brain coming into existence is very low."
Maybe, but don't give up hope. It's happened for others, it could still happen for you. Keep hope alive Barbarossa89, keep hope alive !!
Isn't the number of brains really irrelevant?
I'm trying very, very hard to understand this argument, but I can't help but think this guy's a moron.
The odds of any set of events happening in the future are vanishingly low, because a great many things could happen. The odds of every set of events having happened the way they did in the past is always 100%, because no matter how many ways it could have gone it actually did go just the one way.
-Frank
Atheist =/= solipsist.
"The probability of a human brain coming into existence is very low."
Obviously, for some people--considering how much I've been kicking around this website now...
The idea of probability really fucks with you, doesn't it?
Over billions of years, a low probability becomes a near certainty.
"is far more likely that only you actually exist, and that everything else is an illusion."
I could make a much better case for it than any of your silly fairy tales.
I'm fervently wishing Barbarossa89 is an illusion.
And, once again, Fundie morons, natural selection is not random.
One more time. The "odds" of human intelligence are 1-1. Despite the fundies, human intelligence is a fact.
BTW. Any "odds" you play around with ust be divided by the approx. 13.7 billion years the universe is theorized to have existed. Just about anything divided by 13.7 billion is a very small number.
I have two words for you, my furry fundie friend: CHAOS THEORY. Should you work up enough gall and venture into your local library, you may find books on the subject which, at least in part, explains how simple systems can exhibit extremely complex behaviour. Now do us all a favor and shut the hell up.
However, the odds of over six billion of them coming into existence by random chance is far lower. Abysmally low.
You stupid, fucking moron. I'm pretty sure you are going to remain a virgin.
The probabilaty of a chiltd being born is fairly good. The odds against you being born- the DNA recombining to create someone else- are astronomical. Got it?
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
The same could be said about a chimp brain, and a pig brain, and a parrot brain, and a dog brain... And a flatworm's ganglia of nerve cells, and a sponge's nerves, and a Venus flytrap's response hairs, and the intercellular signal pathways on multicellular life-forms, etc. On and on. See what I'm saying?
There is evolution at work here. Evolution can accomplish the seemingly statistically impossible, because it isn't random!
*Kung-Fu pose*
My science is stronger than yours!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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