Wow those people should be ashamed of themselves.. saying that the book of Exodus is a lie using "archeological proof" is almost like saying holocaust never happened and using whatever "proof" they can come up with to convince people that it is so (they do it in Palestinian schools)... there are hundreds of archeological proofs of the book of Exodus, it probably has more archeological proof backing it up than any other book of the Bible... only someone with an evil agenda would be saying otherwise
40 comments
there are hundreds of archeological proofs of the book of Exodus
Certainly, as with all books of the Bible, there are many historical facts recorded which are correct. The Bible wasn't written in a bubble.
But, one fact doesn't confirm a further fantasy. For instance: the historical existence of the Empire State Building doesn't confirm a historical reality of King Kong climbing up on it holding a young woman in his paw while swatting at old biplanes.
Comparing something that is based on a book full of LIES that only has 'Faith' to back up any of it's spurious claims (how about a Talking Snake, for one), and said archeological/geographical evidence clearly proves said LIES wrong (Tyre. Supposed to have been erased from the map, according to your 'Word of God'. Curious, how it still exists to this day, is it not...?! ), the fact you need to bring something as extremely recent as the Holocaust - with survivors ; also the Allied troops who liberated these Hells on Earth (just ask my uncle; he was one of the British soldiers who liberated Bergen-Belsen, and has the pocket watch on a stand made of wood from one of the camp buildings given to him by one of the survivors, to prove it) is the worst example of Use of Bad Analogy. Your argument - and that of your so-called 'Word of God's veracity - is invalid .
"saying that the book of Exodus is a lie using "archeological proof" is almost like saying holocaust never happened"
No, it's more like saying the Lord of the Rings never happened.
No, dearie. That's like saying that the Holocaust DID happen using all the available archeological proof. We use whatever evidence we find, yes. But we do make sure that we find it first.
Please provide any of these hundreds of archeological proofs that you have for the Exodus. Why have you been hording them and not shown them to anyone? Creationists would just love to have solid proof of anything in the Bible.
We have a reality agenda, and sure; reality can be evil sometime. But not half as evil as religions.
I'm not to fit with the Bible (as my atheism has less to do with details and more about the concept of a god in and of itself), bu if I remember correctly isn't the Book of Exodus about the Israelites walk through the desert and get the Ten Commandments? I wonder, what kind of archelogical evidence would there be? Like bones in the desert that are from around that time? Great you have proof somebody died in a desert around that time, but people die in deserts all the time.
The Exodus it didn't happen, at least not in the way the Bible portrays it. You can't maintain a population of 600,000 people for 40 years wandering a fucking desert. You need infrastructure to maintain the health of that many people. And with 600,000 people we wouldn't be looking for artifacts in the desert, we'd be looking for the desert under all of the artifacts.
Yeah, it's almost like that except for he part where there's a huge pile of evidence showning the holocaust happened and absolutely no evidence showing the Egyptian captivity and escape ever happened. Perhaps you don't understand what evidence, credible evidence, actually is. Get one of the smart people to help you use a dictionary.
there are hundreds of archeological proofs of the book of Exodus
@Kuno, several years ago, I took a bus from Israel to Cairo in one day. No way that trip could take 40 years on foot, unless Yahweh was deliberately leading them in circles to test their faith (or thin the herd).
Evidence fail. There are mountains of proofs the Holocaust happened, starting with the personal testimony of those who were victims, still alive today. What can you bring to the party, lorenei?
@Kuno: I've heard that ancient Hebrew uses the number forty the same way we use various factors of ten, as a way to suggest a great quantity. In this case, it could easily be just an idiom for "numerous".
@Sasha: Thinning the herd...or rather, achieving full turnover of the herd. Yhwh had decided that except for Caleb, Josue, Moses, and Aaron, the Israelites were too spoiled by living in Kemet to really be able to properly occupy the Promised Land--and the last two disqualified themselves by accidentally suggesting they had innate miracle power (using "we" in exasperation when using God's power to conjure forth an aquifer). So the many years of wandering were incited so that a properly weather-hardened people would be the one to retake the Promised Land from Canaan.
Of course, there's the problem that we don't seem to have evidence of the wars described in Josue and Judges. I think the best explanation is that these wars were cobbled together to try to scare off Assyrian and Babylonian warlords, akin to a cat making itself look bigger when going bottlebrush.
So the fact that we have satellite images of caravan roads in the area that predate this supposed event yet zero evidence of half a million people wandering through the area means nothing? Not to mention all evidence from Egyptian sources that they, you know, suffered under a bunch of shitty plagues, seems to not exist. Oh I know, god must have erased all of the evidence. Of course! He's testing your faith. He must have erased it all when he was planting dinosaur bones and geological layers just to confuse you. Yahweh - the original practical joker.
@Kuno:
Not to mention that the desert in question is not that big. We are not talking about the Sahara or the Gobi here. How one manages to take 40 years for a way from Egypt via Sinai to Canaan is anyone’s guess
Indeed. God: world's worst copilot...
As Skyknight said, for the story to make sense we have to assume that Yahweh was deliberately keeping them in the desert, otherwise you just can't explain how half a million people managed to miss each and every one of the trading caravans that were crossing the Sinai all the time for 40 years...
Exodus? Pure fiction!
A collection of people the size of the claimed exodus crowd would leave a humongous trail after it and if it was on the move for forty years, even more, yet not a single scrap can be or has ever been found. Funny that!
there are hundreds of archeological proofs of the book of Exodus
Now if you could show us these proofs in real life rather than in magic Bible la la land, people might take you a bit more seriously.
----
image
image
image
image
there is plenty of it.
Actually, it was when they went looking for evidence of the Book of Exodus that they found none existed.
If you have evidence, the archeological world would be quitre interested in seeing it.
Okay look, I was raised as a Jew and I'm in doctoral school to be a Mythologist with a minor in Archaeology so I figure I should give my two cents on this.
I would be perfectly willing to believe that the ancient Hebrews went through a nomadic period wandering the Sinai in their history. I cannot think of a single culture that didn't go through a nomadic period. I'd be willing to accept that the Hebrews existed as a cultural minority in ancient Egypt for a time, it was a regional superpower in it's day, it was incredibly wealthy, large and advanced, that's only logical. Hell, I'd even be willing to believe that the character of Moses was based on a real tribal leader of the Hebrews at the time if evidence was found that pointed to his existence. The fact is that most 'historical' mythological figures were based on real individuals or a composite of several.
On that note, the whole Burning Bush thing, Moses parting the Red Sea, the Plagues in Egypt, they're all fantasies. Those events, even the whole mass slavery thing most likely, were fabrications in order to embellish the pseudo-mythological history of the Jews. The Bible does mention incidents, people and places that really did exist, but it plays up those things to suit it's own needs. The ancient Egyptians did keep slaves and indentured workers to help construct their megaliths, but there is no evidence that they enslaved entire groups of people for that end.
The difference is we actually kind of have pictures, first hand accounts and other contemporary evidence of the holocaust.
For Exodus we have a story, in a book. So lorenei, your attempt to paint me as an antisemite for not believing in your mythology isn't going to stick, I'm sorry. My only agenda is to the facts.
Isn't this indicitive of the biggest problem in American Media and Politics right now? That unsupported opinions are just as valid as established substantial documented history. That unvalidated assertion is to be given equal time and weight as known facts.
This is free speech gone mad or more precisely the refusal of the superiority of evidence to uniformed opinion.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
To post a comment, you'll need to Sign in or Register . Making an account also allows you to claim credit for submitting quotes, and to vote on quotes and comments. You don't even need to give us your email address.
