This is THE WORST generation of teens I've seen..you did not see teens swearing to beat the band in large numbers as you do nowadays...and sex and abortions ...it is a terrible age for kids to try and grow up decent..TV and schools with their new hidden agendas are making a fine mess of everything.
LAck of stay-at home mothers is WHAT DID IT!! [...]
Especially since on Oscar night we'll see the homo movie win an academy award for best picture I'm afraid...Sodomites have made a major impact in all areas of life from School Boards to marriage licenses now ...to ..being kicked out of your job...for not taking part in GAy week at work...
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It seems every generation comes out with this line of bullshit. Hell, they said it about mine. We saw the coming of age of rock, the beginnings of the drug culture, free love, women's liberation, racial equality, war protests, and gay power. Nothing new for today's generation. (Am I starting to sound like an old fart?)
My parents may not have approved of all my musical choices, or all my friends, or the fact that I gave up on the church in my mid-teens, but they trusted me with the important stuff and I never let them down. They never treated me like an idiot and never tried to put me down because I occasionally had a difference of opinion.
I treat my kids the same way with similar results.
It all comes down to respect. You have to show some to get some. I get the feeling Shaloma hasn't learned that lesson.
dammit, I can't find a good link to the quote from Socrates (well, Plato for the pedants) about young people today having execrable manners. But you know the one I mean, right? Not rising when their teachers enter the room? That Aristotle must have been a scamp.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates#Attributed
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I am currently a stay-at-home mom because it's something I chose to do. I am returning to work and/or school soon. I didn't do this because I thought my son would be a moral degenerate if I didn't. I did it because my fiancé encouraged it, and so did my mother (who stayed at home with me during my first 18 months of life, though in her case it was due to recovering from a horrible car accident).
The real problem is that there are parents who let their children run around with no rules in place. I worked in a public school and parents let their children do whatever they want and watch whatever they want to watch on TV. If you don't like what your children see on TV, then turn the thing OFF. How hard is that? Ugh. You know, you are not some helpless victim.
And for Pete's sake, educate your children about sex! Maybe they'll quit getting knocked up!
Yay! My submission got accepted!
Anyway, the bit about lack of stay at home moms is what did it for me. Women have jobs and are no longer treated like domestic help (mostly)....therefore, children now swear "to beat the band", whatever the fuck that means, and there's a movie with gay themes up for an Oscar. It's all the mother's fault.
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint." - Hesiod, ~700 BCE
Also, SSDExecutor, you said:
""Reddest of the Red states." Too bad those kids on the East and West coasts don't represent the majority nationwide."
Look at the demographics of the US. I'm pretty sure the east + west coast kids are the majority. But there are more of them who are religious (or, at least, religion-indoctrinated) than many people realize, I think.
I hope that movie wins best picture tomorrow night. Just so I can see all the posts of fundies talking about boycotting the Oscars next year. Yeah sure they will,,,,,,
<<I think this exact same sort of thing was being said by the elder generations in places like Athens back in the B.C.E. times. Every generation decries the newest crop of teenagers as the "worst ever." The specific complaints against the young ones change, but the voice is always the same. >>
There have only actually been teenagers since the 50's... before then, you were either a child, or an adult. There was no seperate distinction between a child and a teen.
But yeah, with pretty much every generation of teenagers, the same complaints have been rolled out.
From the "devil's music" of the 50's (jazz, which promoted wild dancing) to the "devil's music" of today (you name it, it's been labelled it).
Super, the hidden agenda of schools. Are they trying to educate people in the verses of respect and equality(is this even a word?)? Or is it the math you on't agree with? All those devilish decimals and Pi not being 3?
Hidden agenda of the television companies: PROFIT. As long as people want to see it they supply because there is a profit.
>>>Sodomites have made a major impact in all areas of life from School Boards to marriage licenses<<<
Does this mean that you can get punished for picking on the gay kid? wasn't there a part of the constitution that you are undoubtly proud of that says something about equal rights? And who cares if they marry, if you dislike gay marriages than don't marry some one from your own gender.
Against abortions? Don't have them. If you are religious you'll just have to find comfort in the fact that those people will burn in hell and that the kid will burn with them because you can not be alive without being a sinner according to some.
And if you don't find any of this comforting consider this:
Everything will be as God wills it.
One of the more fundamental phrases of the bible. So if everything is/will be as god wills it then why be discontent with the current state of affairs? God wills it!
And if you are not religious, then you sir/madam are a bigot.
Certain people tend to see what they want to see in the news and society (in many cases on a subconscious level). If they want to believe that things are going downhill, they are going to look for supporting evidence to prove such a belief, and filter out all contradictory information to that belief. Likewise, if someone stubbornly thinks that things are going well and getting better, they will likely look for news and evidence that helps their argument.
I think Shaloma must be a satirist. It's too much.
Or, maybe she's auditioning for a revival of "Bye, Bye, Birdie," the 1960 Broadway musical featuring Dick Van Dyke, Chita Rivera, and Paul Lynde (!), and this song:
KIDS
Kids!
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Kids!
Who can understand anything they say?
Kids!
They're disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
While we're on the subject:
Kids!
You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
Kids!
But they still just do what they want to do!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Kids!
I've tried to raise him the best I could
Kids! Kids!
Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons!
And while we're on the subject!
Kids! They are just impossible to control!
Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll!
Why can't they dance like we did
What's wrong with Sammy Caine?
What's the matter with kids today!
@Rorb
You beat me to it, I was thinking of just that song, now over 50 years old which would cover Shamolas fictional perfect America fantasy I'm betting.
Then there's "Rebel Without A Cause", "The Wild Ones", the actual bike gangs and greaser hoods, the actual Juvenile delinquacy reports, rampant racism, the higher teenage pregnancy levels of the 50s,,, theres much more.
There's never been a generation that falls in line completely, to suggest such is just naive. I realize Evangelized kids are often sheltered from the real world but as an adult you should have caught up. This naivity comes from a total lack of curiousity and accepting dogmatic assertions over reality.
The America you lot keep talking about, from it's birth to the 50s NEVER EXISTED. There was NEVER a Christian Utopia of peace and impecable manners in America or the world, not even where you grew up, STOP PRETENDING!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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