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You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube and you won't ever prove Him scientifically, but we do have extraordinary proof for Jesus' extraordinary claim that He was God in the flesh: He rose from the dead. Then, nearly 2000 years later, He changed my life. He can do the same for you. Science can know nothing of the supernatural, because science is limited.

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old comment by Eden

We don´t even have proof of whetther Jesus really lived.
All wsources that mention Jesus (even the gospels) are from 2 decades after his alleged death upwards, by people who never met him in person

Not to mention that we know of early christianity, that there were several early christian groups with different opinions on Jesus, which were later declared heretical and persecuted by pauline christianity with their books geting burned. That pauline christianity (with the opinion that Jesus was divine) was victorious in the struggle among christian confessions doesn´t mean however, that pauline christianity was right.
Jesus was declared divine several centuries after his death, at a time where everything the clerical world had were tertiary (or even worse) sources about Jesus.

old comment by The L

It is true that science is not concerned with the supernatural. However, I don't understand why people automatically assume that the change a certain religion can bring into someone's life must, automatically, be a positive change.

"It's exactly the same as saying that prayer helps, even when all the studies done show that it has absolutely no effect what-so-ever."

Actually, the studies have shown that prayer does have a placebo effect. People who are being prayed for tend to feel like their life is worth living, and that they have a chance of recovery, more often than people who are not being prayed for. Granted, you could get the same results in different ways, but prayer isn't entirely useless.

old comment by Waiting for God

I love this argument. Science and religion are totally separate, you cannot measure God.

Fundies are the first people to claim that 'Jesus touched me', 'He touched my life and changed me forever'. Ergo, he had an effect on reality, on the physical nature of the human psyche.

If God/Jesus changed you in some way, then this is observable and therefore measureable. It's exactly the same as saying that prayer helps, even when all the studies done show that it has absolutely no effect what-so-ever.

Once again, if God claims to be able to have an effect on the material world then these effects are measureable.

God or at least his works can indeed be put into the petri dish.

old comment by breakerslion

"You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube and you won't ever prove Him scientifically..."

God is all-powerful. He could put himself in a petri dish if He wanted to! Blasphemer!

"...but we do have extraordinary proof for Jesus' extraordinary claim that He was God in the flesh: He rose from the dead."

And you know this because a huckster, one step below a drunken beggar on the parasite scale, said so and wrote it down. Why would he lie? Oh yeah, the money.

"Then, nearly 2000 years later, He changed my life."

So did Archimedes, Cicero, and more recently Descartes, and Pasteur. I guess they're all gods, huh? And they have one thing that Jesus does not, independent verification.

"He can do the same for you. Science can know nothing of the supernatural, because science is limited."

Sorry, my supernatural being of choice is Bugs Bunny. All the same can be said of him.

old comment by Beeblebrox

...we do have extraordinary proof for Jesus' extraordinary claim that He was God in the flesh: He rose from the dead. Then, nearly 2000 years later, He changed my life.

There is no scientific proof to back your claim of Christ's resurrection. The best you have to offer in that area is second or third hand anectdotal evidence (written down some 20-30 years after the alleged event), which has been retranslated and copied repeatedly for nearly 2,000 years.

The fact that you feel Jesus has "changed your life" rates a zero on the objective evidence scale. Every sincere adherent in any religion you care to name will claim that Buddha/Mohommed/Jehovah/Lucifer/Cthulu/Amway/Tony Robins/ has changed their life. Hell, Albert Camus changed my life after I read The Stranger and The Fall.

Supernatural powers are entirely unnecesary to have one's life changed.

You fail.

old comment by God

"You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube" for I am a bit obese atm.

"and you won't ever prove Him scientifically," That is not true. I will be able to demonstrate the power that my consciousness has over reality with undoubtable statistical significance under scrutiny of any group of scientists in any lab. Which won't be necessary because I will change the whole human world on a global scale, and when you see me, you will know it was me. I won't be obese then, btw.

"but we do have extraordinary proof for Jesus' extraordinary claim that He was God in the flesh: He rose from the dead." No. The person described by the Babble was a fucking impostor.

"Then, nearly 2000 years later, He changed my life." If you take some shrooms, you will learn that what your mind currently does is not good at all.

"He can do the same for you." No thanks.

"Science can know nothing of the supernatural, because science is limited."

There is nothing supernatural, douchebag. It's all rock-solid technology.

“You can't put God in a petri dish or a test tube and you won't ever prove Him scientifically”
Yes, science cannot detect or support the supernatural

“but we do have extraordinary proof for Jesus' extraordinary claim that He was God in the flesh:”
You HAVE this proof?
“He rose from the dead”
Ah. No, you have a few anonymous accounts of him rising from the dead. You don’t have any objective evidence…..

“Then, nearly 2000 years later, He changed my life.”
More like, your BELIEF in Jesus changed your life. i’ve seen the same thing happen for people in AA. Like my son, whose ‘higher power’ is a fat lesbian who lives in his freezer.

“He can do the same for you”
He never did, though.

“ Science can know nothing of the supernatural, because science is limited.”
Yes. So why do you claim you have evidence?

You can't put God in a petri dish

Or as MTG said: peach tree dish.

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