Man is depraived! Completely depraived. Left to our own devices we seek our own needs even at the expense of others. What drives us to reach out and help others? Why do we give to the poor? There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others. It is by the grace of the Holy Spirit the we feel the twinge of our conscience (which is the Holy Spirit) helping us feel/express compassion, forgiveness, love.
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There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others.
Translation: "I don't want there to be anything Darwinian in helping others."
Well I don't want doesn't, er, not get.
@Azrael:
Laxatives can help. ;-)
So if you weren't afraid that a giant man with a long white beard who lives on a cloud will smite you you would be comletely "depraived".
This explains fundy behavior. Fortunately the rest of us have evolved a moral sense.
Actually, if you want to look at it in another way, helping each other has, and will, bring benefit to all parties and allow us to survive longer and live better.
However, we don't need to be told by heavenl beings to do so.
There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others.
Why not? You help your boss, maybe he puts in a good word and you get promoted. You help your neighbor and maybe he doesn't complain when your dog barks. You smile at someone and maybe he smiles back. Ever heard of "what goes around comes around"? If the only reason someone helps another is because he thinks God will pat him on the back and say "good boy" like a fucking beagle, he needs to reread Matthew, Chapter 6.
The most successful species are those which create co-operative structures or communities, so there would be an evolutionary argument for the usefulness of Mirror Neurons.
It's also kinda sad that he thinks so little of himself.
The most successful species are those which create co-operative structures or communities, so there would be an evolutionary argument for the usefulness of Mirror Neurons.
It's also kinda sad that he thinks so little of himself.
The most successful species are those which create co-operative structures or communities, so there would be an evolutionary argument for the usefulness of Mirror Neurons.
It's also kinda sad that he thinks so little of himself.
No, natural selection favors humans who develop a conscience, even if they call it religion, because it strengthens the species as a whole. Which is why I will follow Social Darwinism by being nice.
Man is depraived! Completely depraived.
Good enough start, I actually rather agree with that sentiment.
Then it goes downhill real fast from there.
"There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others."
Maybe, maybe not. Nonetheless, the Theory of Evolution is still true. Whether it describes a world you're comfortable with or not, it's true.
But being that we aren't asexual creatures, fully capable of self survival from birth, then it becomes survival of the fittest group . A fit group is one where members help each other, such as with compassion, forgiveness, and love. It's really not a hard concept.
Left to our own devices we seek our own needs even at the expense of others.[//i]You might. The rest of us have empathy and compassion.
What drives us to reach out and help others?
"Depraived! Depraived, I tell you. Depraived! Bwaaaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha"
It always works better if you use poor grammar, making it "I tells ya", instead of "I tell you". Gives more of a chaotic feel to it.
Helping others = survival of the species, dimwit.
Considering how many times we hear fundies talk about how the poor deserve to be poor, how they're being 'punished,' and how they don't want to be bothered with things like charity and compassion - not to mention how everyone who doesn't follow them blindly is going to burn - I think I know who I'm going to side with on this one.
Uh, why can't "altruism" be selfish?
You get two cactus wrens, one has a lot of food stored up, the other doesn't. And the one with a lot of food gives some to the one that doesn't.
And while the hungry bird eats, the gifting bird emits birdcalls which translate to: "Everybody! Everybody come look! I have food, and I gave this bird some food too, which means I have enough food for two birds! Two birds! That's a lot of food! For two birds! Ladies, I'm talking to _you_!"
Even your canonical example of altruism, the rock hyrax who makes himself a target so the other hyraxes can get away - what happens if the "target hyrax" gets away too? Sure it doesn't happen often - consider it the evolutionary equivalent of playing the Powerball.
"It is by the grace of the Holy Spirit the we feel the twinge of our conscience (which is the Holy Spirit) helping us feel/express compassion, forgiveness, love." According to the Book of Acts, the Holy Spirit only started sticking his fingers in human affairs after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus (i.e. on Pentecost).
So are you saying that before the Pentecost, NO ONE felt/expressed compassion, forgiveness, or love? Including all the heroes of the Old Testament?
Helping others of your species not to die is helping to ensure the further propagation of your species, which is essentially Darwinian. Human decency's great stuff, innit? Plus, it's just the ethical thing to do.
"What drives us to reach out and help others? Why do we give to the poor? There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others."
Let's see, hmm, how to tear this apart... if such behavior aids us in facilitating an environmental situation that is favorable to our survival and reproductive success then it has everything to do with Darwinian evolution, retard. Take a class.
If we didn't help each other, our species would have been extinct a hundred thousand years ago. It's only our cooperation that has kept us alive and on top for so long. Aiding each other IS aiding ourselves.
If we all helped each other all the time, there wouldn't be any poor.
oooh, oooh, pick me! I can answer this! In purely scientific terms, humans are social animals, social animals do what's best for the group, in this case helping others and giving to the poor.
Helping each other helps the species survive. One lonely human is a very weak animal. A cooperating pack of humans is a formidable force.
YOU might seek your own needs at the expense of others. Most humans want others around him/her.
> There is certainly NOTHING Darwinian in helping others.get along better , and getting along better gives you a better chance of survival .
well, yes , there is a survival benefit from helping others. Thats irrelevant though with very high population numbers.
the word is depraved. no I required.
The holy spirit got Mary pregnant, so pardon me if I dont want it doing me. That would be very gay.
Gene Pools evolve, not individuals.
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