Gun Lobbyist: Gun Restrictions Are Like Banning The Bible
Last week, Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb joined Colorado state Rep. Gordon Klingenschmitt on his “Pray in Jesus Name” program, where he argued that banning specific types of firearms is akin to banning specific books, for instance the Bible.
Speaking about his group’s contention that the attorney general of Massachusetts is improperly restricting the sale of some semiautomatic handguns, Gottlieb asked viewers to compare the “bureaucracy that is allowed to decide what guns you can own and you can’t own” with a scenario in which “the government was deciding what books you can read or books you couldn’t read.”
“You could have a book about Satan,” he continued, “but you couldn’t have the Bible.”
“A lot of First Amendment, Second Amendment issues are really kind of tied together,” he said, in that “you really can’t unravel the Bill of Rights or shred one part of it without shredding the whole document.”
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You are literally worshiping something designed to kill.
You are literally worshiping something designed to kill.
How can you not see that's COMPLETELY FUCKED UP?
<where he argued that banning specific types of firearms is akin to banning specific books, for instance the Bible.>
Yes, these two are exactly the same. Right down to where hundreds of people are killed or seriously injured by a book in their own home each year or where some psycho goes into a school and kills several people as well as himself with a copy of Sense and Sensibilities. Or if he's feeling really hardcore, he'll bring out the heavy weapon: War and Peace. Moron.
Granted, it is technically possible to commit mass murder with a book, but it is exponentially harder than doing it with a gun.
There is at least one argument for banning or at least restricting access to certain religious texts, such as the bible, in that a small minority of users will use the book's contents as an excuse for hatred and violence.
"banning specific types of firearms is akin to banning specific books, for instance the Bible."
You say that like those are bad things to do. That specific book COMMANDS people to kill, and the firearms allow people to easily carry those commands out.
Gottlieb asked viewers to compare the “bureaucracy that is allowed to decide what guns you can own and you can’t own” with a scenario in which “the government was deciding what books you can read or books you couldn’t read.”
1.) You aren't allowed to own a RPG, a tank or a F16. Where's the difference?
2.) Will we see Mr. Gottlieb protesting the next time someone wants to ban some books from public libraries? I mean, “A lot of First Amendment, Second Amendment issues are really kind of tied together,[...]you really can’t unravel the Bill of Rights or shred one part of it without shredding the whole document.” after all.
@Gearhead mk2:
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A gun doesn't kill people, an unhinged person kills people with guns. Hence why I firmly believe fundies should be denied both access to bibles and guns, so he can't act on the hateful rhetoric his book spews.
I know my friends and neighbors. I would much prefer that they not be allowed to own howitzers.
I really hope you meant that in the sense of someone taking a book to bed.
We have heavier restrictions for alcohol, for prescription drugs, for gambling, for driving, for voting then we have for guns.
“You could have a book about Satan,” he continued, “but you couldn’t have the Bible.”
The book about Satan is
@Thinking Allowed:
A nail gun.
Mr. Gottlieb, every year fundies try to have specific books banned from school and public libraries. They also complain about stores selling magazines such as Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler.
Now, if you can explain why the average citizen needs a semi-automatic weapon with an extra-large magazine, without resorting to the "I might have to defend my family during a civil uprising" claim, I'll be happy to listen.
We should keep heavy duty guns legalised and within easy access for all, regardless of their mental health, because of the lessons we learned from Jesus. If he was armed with an assault rifle the Romans would never have got him.
@Demon Duck of Doom:
;) Just your friendly neighborhood irreverent, anti-Christian neopagan.
@Anon-e-moose :
Yessss the nail gun was fckin' sweet. Hyped for the new Doom coming out?
Truthfully
If you had a Biblical theocracy you'd have one of three things:
The church rules, ONE CHURCH after years of strife
Guess who doesn't get a gun, All y'all that don't fit those three.
And actually, I would suggest banning the Bible would be a better idea than gun control in the long run.
@Kuno
In almost every state rocket launchers are right out, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to own one for any reason.
Tanks and fighter jets however are much easier to get a hold of, after demilitarization.
In fact, the old Soviet jet trainer remains a very popular civilian aerobatic jet, and jets right up till around the 70's remain reasonably common in private airfields. Any later and things start getting too techy and expensive for eve wealthy eccentrics to foot the bill.
That said, governments have been selling off older variants of 4th gen jets to less wealthy nations and those nations are just about due for "newer" air-frames. I wouldn't be surprised to see older F-16's hitting the market in a few years.
Granted they'll be on their last legs having been through 2 different air forces worth of flight time, but you never know, you might wind up getting one that had a new spar put in from an early crash.
> Gun Lobbyist: Gun Restrictions Are Like Banning The Bible
... I... Really?!
I admit that's a bit less "I worship guns"-ish than the headlines. False alarm.
Somehow, I can't see our government doing that. More likely banning books on cryptography, or banning the Koran, or banning guides to making weapons.
@NotaReptile
After a bit of an Internet trawl, it looks like it is indeed possible to buy and own an RPG in the U.S..
It might take a ridiculous amount of bumf juggling and the payment of assorted permits and would, almost certainly, bring you to the attention of important people but, it appears to be technically legal.
What part of "well regulated militia" did you miss, numbskull?
I would compare the bureaucracy that decides what guns you can own, with the bureaucracy that decides what medicines/drugs you can buy.
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There are two huge problems with this country's gun laws.
While I would like to see stricter limits on the types of guns that civilians can own it's pointless to discuss that until we figure out ways to make it more difficult for criminals and psychopaths to legally buy firearms. Perhaps the simplest way to accomplish that would be a rationalization of current regulations under the umbrella of a federal firearm license that would be required for all purchases of guns and ammo along with a complete ban of private transfers of firearms. I realize that it would be a nuisance to have to visit a registered dealer when Grampa wants to give Lil' Johnny his old Winchester but someone should check to make sure that Lil' Johnny isn't a raging psychopath before he is given a effing gun. And don't even get me started about the "gun show loophole".
Firearms are designed to kill. Handguns are designed specifically to kill *people*. That is their only function.
Restricting firearms to people trained in their operation, or/and to people without violent criminal histories (etc) is not comparable to banning books or to limiting religious freedom.
That Gottlieb believes otherwise is proof he spends entirely too much time worshiping his second penis -- an item that, as Gearhead mk2 has already pointed out, is designed to kill.
No one that stupid should be allowed to own a gun: He's a million times more likely to accidentally shoot himself than he is to stop an intruder or to heroically confront a shooter as the latter fires on people in a public place.
@rubber chicken, NotAReptile:
Point taken, I should have been more precise:
1.) You aren't allowed to own a RPG, a tank or a F16 with functioning weapon systems . Where's the difference?
Better?
Confused?
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