REAL humans are the elect and life is a humanization process (coming to a knowledge of the truth), the rest are mere shadow (they are already de-humanized) and live an illusion. People will understand WHO the reprobate actually are--wicked, evil, and self-deceiving individuals (in spirit) that only care for themselves and hate their Creator (and those who belong to the Creator--the source of all that is good) with an eternal animosity. To the elect, every reprobate is merely another Nero,Hitler,Stalin etc..
(contributors note: elect means Christians and reprobate are all non-Christians)
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So, if I get this straight, TRUE Christians are the only REAL humans because they demonise those who disagree with them, and to them, they are all "merely another Nero,Hitler,Stalin etc..".
Yeah. My concept of humanity is apparently too much for you.
There have been other vicious dictators in latter years, but I suppose fundies are too ignorant to know about men like Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Augusto Pinochet, Haji Suharto and so on.
You just keep using Hitler as your mantra.
I see that, once again, the fundies find the Bible an inadequate source for their babble, so they have to make the shit up out of their own asses...
Actually, I don't hate anyone. I am not fan of the so called creator's followers, however. The supposed creator himself? Nah, hate is too strong. You have to actually believe in something to have feelings towards or about it.
Try again.
The 'elect' need to pull the stick out of their butts and realise you don't get to heaven (if it exists) by treating the majority of the world's population as sub-humans.
This attitude of de-humanising those who are 'other' is what allows attempts at genocide to happen.
I read their comments and I find myself getting angry to the point that it makes me very uncomfortable. I just want to go medieval on their asses and that makes me no better than them, dammit.
If they want to follow Christ, why can't they all be Anglicans/Episcopalians? They don't run around oppressing people. They hold cake stalls for charity and sing nice hymns and actually try to love their neighbours.
Yet Jesus hung out with sinners all the time.
I keep forgetting, it's Paul you people worship, not Jesus.
There was a time when people thought lepers were dehumanized. Jesus challenged that notion by talking with them, sharing food with them and touching them to heal them. To him, no one was dehumanized. To him, people were people.
Jesus reserved his revulsion for the so-called "pure ones" (i.e. the Pharisees). He called them on the fact that they only cared about themselves and thought the Creator was satisfied with mechanical devotions. Jesus upbraided them for dehumanizing their fellows, they way you do in your post.
Try reading the gospels rlhuckle. You'll find it very interesting.
Who's the elect again? Are the shadow beings reprobate? or is that the REAL humans? Who's on first? What's on second? Oh, I'm so confused.
One more time for comprehension's sake...
Just to clarify here; the reprobate are not "all non-Christians." Basically, God creates two types of people: elect and reprobate. Now, not all elect are brought to a knowledge of their place in Christ at the same time. Non-Christians are made up of UNREGENERATE elect AND reprobate; so, labeling ALL non-Christians as reprobate is an error. Furthermore, what I am saying is merely a fact and not meant to be pejoritive in any manner. Men do not have any choice in their creation because it is God who determines what all men will believe.
Christians are commanded to love all men and it is in this love that the truth of God is proclaimed as only truth can benefit the elect (the good of which is reason for creation according to the Scriptures); and only the elect WILL believe the truth (because God makes it happen).
Again, this is not to say that if one doesn't believe at this moment in time that they will never believe.....
Why the hell do we even have free will if gawd already has our fates sealed and sitting in the "Out" folder on his desk?
"Furthermore, what I am saying is merely a fact and not meant to be pejoritive in any manner,"
Only in your religion. And since you're coming close to saying that you know, without a doubt, the will of god, you're already in trouble. Or does that only apply to everyone except you?
"Furthermore, what I am saying is merely a fact and not meant to be pejoritive in any manner"
Both Hitler and Stalin were more or less Christian. Stalin even trained to be a priest, before he changed career-path and became a dictator instead.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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