Scientists should include God in their experiments by trusting His Word first - because God knows more than we do. If they get results that seem to contradict the revealed truth of God, they should take advantage of the information that God has given us as evidence that something was wrong with their experiment or their interpretation of the results.
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The New Testament says that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. If botanists discover a smaller seed, should they just believe that they imagined it, or mindfuck themselves into believing that it doesn't exist?
(There is no spoon)
Okay, I'll bite.... how would a scientist do that? Read the Bible before getting to work?
One of the lab guys I work with does that in the morning, and physics works the same for him as for us. Seriously, wtf?
Dear God, we are going to the Galapogos Islands for a few years to see if there is any real evidence for evolution. We plan on doing a study of the Finches there and how climatic and environmental changes have an effect on them . Please guide us in our study.
Peter and Rosemary Grant
Works for me! Evolution must be right.
Norm
People tried it your way for hundreds of years and it only lead to taking one step backward for every one and a half steps forward (it would've all been backward had it not been for a few good people). Only they didn't just assume the bible was true. Instead they expanded it to numerous ancient texts and ideas. For example, how could it be possible that there were more elements that fire, water, earth, and air? For such a great ancient philosopher to be wrong was unthinkable! Those evildoers who would make up such nonsense about hydrogen and other elements needed their darn eyes checked!
The world has moved on since then and you can thank it for your possible 80+ year old lifespan and computer that you enjoy spouting nonsense on. Maybe tomorrow you can suggest we assume Hydras and Medusas exist and ignore all we know about the history of mythology and the thoughts of the people at that time. Afterall, your church seems to enjoy ignoring those aspects when speaking about "the word of god."
<< Scientists should include God in their experiments by trusting His Word first - because God knows more than we do. >>
Unsupported assertions -- first, please provide scientific proof of God and of his superior knowledge (and of the fact that what is frequently referred to as "His Word" actually is).
~David D.G.
I favour the purely agnostic approach here - even if God did exist, his infinite knowledge of all reality would still be worth diddly-squat unless he could express it in a slightly more direct way than anyone might try to show it is in his "word", ie the Bible. Anything on quantum theory in there? Thermofluid mechanics? Relativity? Properties of semiconductors? Germ theory of disease? Newtonian mechanics? Has any scientific breakthrough or beneficial invention, in the whole of recorded history, ever been directly inspired by fundamental laws laid down, unambiguously, in a religious text?
<<Has any scientific breakthrough or beneficial invention, in the whole of recorded history, ever been directly inspired by fundamental laws laid down, unambiguously, in a religious text?>>
Well of course not. Afterall, scientific thought and intelligence in general is the devil trying to remove you from the path of salvation. God, apparently, does not want you to think. :)
To be fair the Word of God isn't necessarily the Bible, he doesn't claim this. I mean, if the sky opened up and a voice came down from the sky (and was audible to more than one person at a time) you'd be pretty hard pressed not to believe it. Unfortunately, God doesn't seem to be too interested in helping us out with working out how the world works.
Science DID start by assuming that God's word was correct. But time, and a LOT of experiements, drew us away from those initial, incorrect hypotheses, and to the state of science we have today.
Surely scientific consensus will change, but it will never return to the initial set of hypotheses it tested, but undoubtedly find even stranger truths than what we know today.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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