Any smart scientist would tell you carbon dating can only reach back 50,000 years or so, after that they are guessing. We really have no idea how long the Earth has existed or the universe. But ending it, like they say in this video, "A building must have a builder." Bye!
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Yes and any smart scientist (is their any other kind? oh right you call them christian scientists) would also tell you that carbon dating is not the only method we have to find out how old something is. We actually have a very good idea of how old the Earth is and believe it or not, but estimates for the universe's age are not pulled out of thin air.
Btw, not to nitpick, but carbon dating works up until about 60,000 years into the past. On the plus side at least you weren't one of those fundies who tried to claim that carbon dating was faulty and the Earth is really around 6,000 years old. Instead of twisting reality to meet your needs, you seem to just be ignorant and in need of a proper education.
"If a building needs a builder and a builder needs a builder, than the builder's builder needs a builder too, right?"
It's only a 'building' if it's intelligently designed.
So you're saying it's intelligently designed because there's a 'builder', and there's a builder because it's intelligently designed.
Um. That doesn't work.
"A building must have a builder."
The perception of order is not the same as real order.
Oil and water separate spontanteously, creating the illusion of a more ordered state when, in fact, they separate in order to acieve higher chaos.
"Bye"
"A building must have a builder."
OK, let's see where this analogy leads us. Who was the builder of the Empire State Building? It was conceived and financed by John Raskob. It was designed by Shreve, Lamb and Harmon. The actual builders were the Starrett Brothers and Eken. The chairman of the construction company was Alfred E. Smith. So it was designed and built by a whole committee. Are any of these people still live? Smith and Raskob certainly aren't. And Shreve, Lamb and Harmon are all dead, too. Did any of these people do anything besides design and build buildings? Smith was the governor of NY and Raskob did a number of other things, but most of the rest were involved with real estate development.
So what do we learn? (a) a building needn't have one builder, (b) the builder needn't still exist and (c) the builders needn't have any other powers or skills. That's why modern theologians have never thought much of this argument.
We really have no idea how long the Earth has existed or the universe.
We know it was more than 6,000 - 8,000 years, and anything over 8,000 pretty much invalidates the Bible's genealogy.
"Any smart scientist would tell you carbon dating can only reach back 50,000 years or so, after that they are guessing. We really have no idea how long the Earth has existed or the universe."
If there was only one test, you'd be right. Of course, there are more methods other than C14 available, so you are absolutely wrong.
But, then, the universe is not a building so that trite bit of "logic" falls flat.
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Any smart scientist would tell you carbon dating can only reach back 50,000 years or so
Correct, that is why things that are older than 50000 is dated with one of the other radiometric dating methods, that reach much further back in time
Dumbass!
Yep. Carbon dating is used for organic things within a relatively small amount of times. They date other elements for nonorganic things, like rocks. I'm trying to remember the elements, but my volcanology class is beginning to slip away. I'm tempted to say potassium or uranium. Anyway, there's a rock in Australia that's 4.7 billion years old, the oldest ever, which tells us that Hadean time didn't last as long as we think it did.
His profile is interesting:
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Any smart scientist will tell you carbon-14 dating only goes back so far...
...which is why we use different isotopes for older items. Also, background radiation. Redshift. And the universe is not a building.
You might be guessing sunshine, other people look at data like WMAP and Uranium238 vs Lead206.
A lie must have a belie ver!
Just because that is a saying doesn’t make it sensible or applicable in other circumstances. And it would be nice if you people were consistent. One day god is the designer of everything, but the next day you are praying against some cancer or disaster, but that ends up being god’s creation, the devil’s fault. You want your cake
The C14 dating is reliable further than 100,000 years. Second, there are other dating methods, that can give us a more accurate data and it's not 6000 years. And the building doesn't have to have a builder, at least one like the Bible describes, necesarily, and not anthropomorphic. Again, be at least totally consequent.
"A building must have a builder" is another one of those arguments for God that, sadly, would also apply to Thor, or even the whole Norse pantheon. Why not many builders?
Apologetical standards have declined far too sharply in recent times.
Right..... So you agree with us that the Big Bang made the universe right? After all, it WAS a builder technically.
The last part makes me think of a little kid sticking his fingers in his ears, singing "Lalalalala"
Building/Builder arguments only fulfill 1/100th of the whole argument, and move it in a direction you wouldn't want it to go (multiple builders, any one builder at all, and so on).
Wait, if carbon dating can reach back 50,000 years accurately, doesn't that mean that the world is defintely older than 6,000 years?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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