You got it. The two big winners in the evolutionists world are the rapist and the welfare mother. The basic ideas are that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature, and that he who dies with the most offspring wins.
Ordinary morality doesnt have any sort of a place in evolutionland.
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1. Social Darwinism (which I'm sure is what this guy's pathetically trying to explain) is pretty much frowned upon by liberals, as well as most people who understand that our intelligence is leaps and bounds ahead of other animals.removal of the "welfare mother" from the gene pool?
In nature either. If a baby dies of, say, measles, because at the time there is no vaccine and he has a very low immunological system, he dies. Has an accident anything to do with morality?, if a person dies because contracts cancer, where is the morality of the person?. END OF THE TAPE.
"You got it."Thanks.
"The two big winners in the evolutionists world are the rapist and the welfare mother."
Now hold on there. The ToE is not to be applied to modern humans in a social sense.
"The basic ideas are that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature,"
No, the ToE makes no claims concerning morality. You claiming that it does, shows that you don't know the basics of the ToE.
"and that he who dies with the most offspring wins."
No, the species which is best able to survive in it's environmental niche, will become more prevelant up to the point that the environment is able to sustain that species.
"Ordinary morality doesnt have any sort of a place in evolutionland."
The ToE says nothing about morality, however, that doesn't mean that persons who understand and accept the ToE are without ethics. Just as we formulate our view of the origin of species from sources other than ancient fairy tales, so too, we formulate our ethics largely from non-biblical sources.
If those of us who accept the ToE were actually without reasonable ethics, wouldn't we have killed you by now?
MILF-chan: He's referring to a woman abusing the welfare system by pumping out children. Which, one, doesn't usually work and, two, is how Catholics keep warm in preparation for hell.
Gross missunderstanding of the ToE aside, I fail to see how a rapist manages to father a lot of kids: even if the victim is fertile at the time of the attack, successful impregnation strikes me as more difficult to achieve with a struggling and fighting victim than with a consenting partner. Add to that that any rapist with a shred of common sense would realize that leaving some of his genetic material in the victim is a stupid thing to do, and that the more victims there is the higher the chance of the rapist getting caught get, and once in Hotel Greybar the rapist's opportunities to spread his seed are severely reduced... And of course, rape-induced pregnancies are rather likely to get terminated...
"Survival of the fittest" was a phrase invented by Edmund Spencer back in the mid-1800's. He attempted to create an analogy between Darwin's theories and his own social theories. Gungasnake is arguing with Spencer, not Darwin. Biologists don't use the phrase. It has nothing to do with the evolution of species.
I'm all in favor of social darwinism. We give everyone a test, with ten questions concerning the most basic premises of modern science. If you can't pass, you're unfit, and you get selected out to fundieland, which is what we're gonna call texas after we wrap a laser fence around it.
Boy: Yes, I know about that particular paranoia, I'm just confused as to how "survival of the fittest" can be the ethos of a society with welfare, nevermind a fundamental cause of it, as they're so deeply at odds with each other.
Gee and now the fundies are making strawmen against social darwinism. Which of course has nothing to do with biology but hey, these are fundies, not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Weird Al .
In fact, welfare is THE OPPOSITE of social darwinism. In a society where you don´t fit, at least in Sparta and other places, YOU WERE OUT. Dead, I mean.
More fantastical ravings from a fundy. Just make shit up, no one will check the 'facts'. Lie for jebus, it's easy, and fun!
Good grief: the old classic "Welfare Mom" is still making the rounds, is it?
"he who dies with the most offspring wins."
Which is why sponges (several million per individual per year) rule the world!
Bow ye down to your new lord and master!image
Nature and evolution has plenty of 'morality' in it. The instinct to protect young, socalise, share food within the family group or pride or whatever, stay with dying relatives, not generally eat your own kind, and many other examples.
Many of what we consider our moral traits are said to have been the result of evolution. Mother/offspring bonding and not shagging your children are the most obvious. More important, cooperative social groups were better at survival, so members within those groups that tended to socalise, share and cooperate, also tended to do better, as well as their group doing better.
Your example of a rapist would likely be the sort of trait that evolution will have discouraged over time. As humans lived closer & closer together in greater numbers, the rapist gene (or whatever) would have gradually declined for obvious reasons.
In case you are wondering, people with your warped sense of morality are also hopefully going to eventually die out, as your views become more and more unacceptable in mainstream society. This last thought makes me very happy.
“You got it. The two big winners in the evolutionists world are the rapist and the welfare mother.”
"The basic ideas are that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature, and that he who dies with the most offspring wins.”
“Ordinary morality doesnt have any sort of a place in evolutionland.”
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