Exactly. The WaPo actually had a writer/Mom take her kid on college tours a few years back. They visited a very "exclusive" college (most expensive US college usually). The student tour guide was asked about diversity. She replied, "There is none, In thought." The same groupthink echo chamber, but the real issue is the suppression of faculty speech, to be nearly uniformly pro-Democratic and liberal. Private colleges, as in private business, do not enjoy 1st Amendment privileges in their employment. The faculty can be as openly biased as they choose. It seems to be at a tipping point. I can't help but blame the Obama DOJ and DOE for many egregious actions to swiftly attack any dissenters in these environs. It elected Trump in part. Interesting. The current trend of judicial activism is paralleled by policy at schools. It's far easier to strike down a "ban" than it is to address the myriad of "guidelines" and speech monitors (a formal group at many campuses). It doesn't just take WikiLeaks to reveal Dem efforts to carry out social engineering through court appointments, but in claims on "safety." Trigger warnings, "safe" spaces that exclude whites, groups marching in libraries (of all places) cornering white students and forcing them to chant "Black Lives Matter." It's outrageous behavior, but safely conducted because faculty and administration do not punish the doers, and often create "sanctuaries" for them and their leaders. Of course, in the name of 'safety.'
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So do I understand that you base your premises on one comment from one student from one university?
I congratulate you on your open-minded and fair analysis of the situation based upon a thorough and comprehensive examination of the evidence.....well no, scratch that .... Your kids go to college to learn to think, in a manner that surpasses your poor efforts. And thinking, mirabile dictu, leads them to political policies that don't agree with your emotional, knee-jerk ones. What a pity.
So, I've been out of college for a few years now (hooray?), but I don't recall hide nor hair of this. I went to a pretty expensive university (although with a bunch of scholarship money rather than just paying for it straight), too.
I mean, I'd be the first to admit I just showed up at class and hung out; I wasn't really the campus-activist type. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that a bunch of hotheaded twenty-somethings who have one opinion fetching up against a bunch of hotheaded twenty-somethings who have a different opinion sometimes do things they might regret later. But there was none of this indoctrination people go on about.
If anyone was trying to indoctrinate me, they certainly didn't do a very good job of it. I have to say that I came out of my liberal-arts classes basically thinking they were a waste of time for all involved and an elaborate way of making jobs for academics.
I mean... "safe spaces that exclude whites"? Not at any campus I've ever heard of. "Cornering white students and forcing them to chant 'Black Lives Matter'?" Nope. Actually, the Occupy protests started up while I was in school and I had a rather interesting conversation with a classmate (both of us white, male, and notable unharrassed by roving liberal indoctrination squads) about them. I was and am of a rather low opinion about the protests. I didn't get cornered by "speech monitors" and forced to recant that belief.
Finally - does it strike anyone else as odd that this happened at "a very 'exclusive' college", but they didn't specify which one? Fascinating how that always seems to be the case...
It seems like the issue with college idiocy is a giant case of "depends on the college". I go to a state school, there are no incidents of idiocy aside from a few students do not like Trump (understandable), the safe space idiots keep to themselves and do not want the entire campus to be a safe space, the faculty are not involved in promoting this and faculty I know to be right-wing (or at least libertarians who show John Stossel videos in class to "demonstrate" economics) are still employed and presumably teaching those same classes I took the same way.
Now, if you went to Missouri (lol, Vols beat their ass today), you might see something else. If you went to a college in California, you might see something else. Just because I don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some places. It should ideally in no places, since it's idiocy. But it isn't a universal policy anywhere, it's more just the faction of sanity (who make up the majority of students at these places) will not be catered to in favour of the faction of insanity, and of course, certain websites eat up this insanity going on.
The only solution is blacklisting certain faculty who openly promote this idiocy (like Mizzou's Melissa Click), as well as rolling back Title IX to its original intent and not its current intent as a bludgeon. If Donald Trump does anything right, I'd hope his administration will scrap Title IX and place a new, yet similar code which is immune from the abuse which the current Title IX is used for. I have no hope on the former (just a pipe dream in this current world), but I have much hope on the latter.
Safe spaces, like Trump thinks theaters are?
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Here's the "rudeness":
“You know, we had a guest in the audience this evening. And Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out, but I hope you will hear us just a few more moments. There’s nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen. There’s nothing to boo here. We’re all here, sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir, and we hope that you will hear us out. And I encourage everybody to pull out your phones and tweet and post, because this message needs to be spread far and wide, okay? Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us at Hamilton: An American Musical.’ We really do. We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values, and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you for sharing this show, this wonderful American story, told by a diverse group of men, women, of different colors, creeds and orientations.”
Source: The Washington Post
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I'm really hoping the cast not only refuses but doubles down. This unearned respect is something Donald and alt right really needs to be continually shot down on. You aren't respectable by civil standards, your supporters won't accept your behavior from others so much, will they? It's not that you have free speech and opinion but others don't, this should be obvious but far righters think only they are entitled.
Or if they do apologize they find the snarkiest member of the cast to snottily go "Ohhhh, I'm so sorry I heard your feelings"
Mat get elected to office if they can be real shits about it all.
Yes. There is an issue with Colleges not allowing serious discussion.
Now explain how replacing their echo chamber with your echo chamber (because we know you have one) will fix it. Because it looks like you're just jealous that it's not your echo chamber being enforced.
Nobody enjoys total freedom of speech in their employment. If you publicly speak poorly of your employer, expect it to have repercussions.
The First Amendment's protection of speech never applied to being able to say anything you want without having to suffer the consequences.
If you think you know what the student tour guide meant with that nonsensical sentence, you're undoubtedly wrong. Anyway, congratulations on having one that didn't bang on about sports when your kid isn't interested.
The Hamilton flap - just something to distract the press, while Trump gets hit with a million $ fine for running a fake college.
"Private colleges, as in private business, do not enjoy 1st Amendment privileges in their employment. . . . I can't help but blame the Obama DOJ and DOE for many egregious actions to swiftly attack any dissenters in these environs."
If it's a private college how does Obama and DOJ have any leverage over it?
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