3. Submission is for our protection
God did not devise submission to bring wives into bondage. No, it is for our blessing, protection and covering. God's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives--under their father's protection as a single person and then under their husband's protection when they marry. We see an understanding of this in Numbers Chapter 30.
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god did no such thing nancy, MEN created this law and said it was in the name of god.
god shouldn't bow to man's actions, if god is god he could just say don't hurt women or i'll smite you.
Why don't you accept the truth Nancy?
The bible was written by men in a patriarchal culture who wanted to justify their control over women.
The surest way that the men could achieve this would be to say "Godsaidso !" I assume that the men created this load of bullshite so that they could be assured that they were raising their own spawn instead of another man's .
Also - it was a source of coinage that fathers could get - dowry, etc.
GAWD had nothing to do with it - except being the Scapegoat in the Sky.
So...being locked up, beaten, raped and mutilated is for their protection is it?
Glad you cleared that up!
"God's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives"
And since no woman can ever be able to stand on her own, Nancy's point is completely valid.
On second thought... What if the woman isn't safe in her own home? What if the problem is an abusive husband/father? I don't think your god thought this thing all the way through...
Book written by men, to be used by men to rule over women.
I mean god damn, is it so hard for religious people to get laid without brainwashing their spouses?
I am apatheist, ugly as all hell and I get to invited into bondage schemes of entirely different kinds, as glorious lord of thine.
If that were true, it wouldn't also be true that the most common perpetrator in the homicide of a woman is her spouse/partner, particularly if she's pregnant by him. Nor would it be true that in countries where women are the most controlled, er, "protected" by men, women are murdered in so-called "honor killings", have their genitals cut off in childhood, are forced to marry their rapists and are refused medical care if the only doctor available is a man, etc., etc.
Clearly, men made up those rules, falsly claiming they came from God, to have power and control over women.
It's time you got a clue.
What the hell are you doing posting this on the internet? Some man might read it and change his mind then you'd be guilty of teaching a man which is a sin! Better to simply stay at home, naked and perpetually pregnant, than to risk pissing off god.
How big of a fit do you think Ms. Campbell would throw if a Muslim woman said the following?
3. Submission is for our protection
Allah did not devise submission to bring wives into bondage. No, it is for our blessing, protection and covering. Allah's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives--under their father's protection as a single person and then under their husband's protection when they marry. We see an understanding of this in the Holy Qur'an.
Too fucking easy.
"under their father's protection as a single person"
So what about those women who don't have fathers? The ones who lost their fathers in war, or traffic accidents, or being stoned for wearing clothing blended of two kinds of fibers while eating shrimp while planting two kinds of crops in the same field on a Sunday after trimming their beards?
"It may feel good at the time but independence always ends in destruction. This is why we now have such an epidemic of divorce."
You see. If America had stayed under British control the divorce rate would be much lower today.
"God's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives"
But surely they are always under God's protection, so need no other.
Or don't you trust in The Lord anymore?
[God did not devise submission to bring wives into bondage.]
God didn't devise submission. Men did.
[God's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives]
I can protect myself.
[under their father's protection as a single person and then under their husband's protection when they marry.]
But what if they're father or husband is abusive?
you know this is why im happy that my mother wouldn't let my grandparents shove this milarky down my throat from birth. don't get me wrong, my mom went a bit nuts at the end there, but during my first ten years she was pretty awesome about not letting me be indoctrinated.
back to the quote. hm, Nancy.
i kinda feel sorry for ya Nancy. :/ hope she wakes up soon and realizes what the fuck shes saying.
"God did not devise submission to bring wives into bondage."
Correct, God did not do that. Indeed, how could He? He doesn't exist. I think you'll find that non-existent super-ghosts tend not to go in for much devising of things. However, the faulty mechanism in your head, your brain, allows you to think of yourself as a lesser person because you haven't got a dick, and to submit to people who do have one. Probably because you're a fawning half-wit who constantly imagines that you need the protection of the men who invented sky fairies.
Need protection, eh?
"That's what guns are for!" -Governor Ratcliffe from Disney's Pocahontas
Now, if there were ever a decent argument for gun ownership it could come out of this notion.
Let's see how this sounds:
God did not devise slavery to bring darkies into bondage. No, it is for their blessing, protection and covering. God's ultimate plan is for His darker creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives--under their parents' owner's protection as a young person and then under their new owner's protection when they get sold.
Well then, praise God for his wonderful plan! I'm sure Africa will rejoice over God's grace and love towards them.
I can, in theory, appreciate the logic--it's by this same logic that children are submissive to their parents.
The difference is that children, by their nature, are naive to much of the world and it's consequences, and parents, by their nature, USUALLY genuinely have their child's best interest in mind.
I, however, am an adult who have already learned the ways of the world, from my family and from my own experiences, and I don't need a man, or anyone else, to act like they know what's best for me.
Paraphrasing from other parts of the piece,
The whole thing is really a big knob slobber to how great things would be if all the women just did as they were told and forgot that they were people too. Section 3 "Serve Your Husband" is especially Stepford.
The funny thing to me is that misogynists hold women up to this expectation, then disdain them for being "needy" or "helpless" if they live up to it and disdain them for being "rebellious" and "not knowing their place" if they don't live up to it. There's really no pleasing misogyniststhey just plain hate women.
@ Shykid
"The funny thing to me is that misogynists hold women up to this expectation, then disdain them for being "needy" or "helpless" if they live up to it and disdain them for being "rebellious" and "not knowing their place" if they don't live up to it. There's really no pleasing misogyniststhey just plain hate women."
That's a remarkably clever comment for a someone calling himself a kid!
I just feel sorry for this woman. On another page, she talks about how she had a vision from God saying that she wasn't submissive enough. And that because of her lack of submission, her husband was slacking off in his duty to "lead" her.
It's really sickening, what some women are brainwashed into believing. I remember on another website, the webmaster had the nerve to say to a woman who had divorced her husband for abuse that she did the wrong thing, and that women should always return to their husbands after straightening things out with them...and that abuse is ALWAYS provoked.
"God did not devise submission to bring wives into bondage. No, it is for our blessing, protection and covering. God's ultimate plan is for His female creation to be under protection throughout their entire lives--under their father's protection as a single person and then under their husband's protection when they marry."
So all that Abraham Lincoln and William Wilberforce (from here in Hull b^_^d ) did to eliminate Slavery was all for naught, eh? Emmeline Pankhurst might as well as not have bothered, re. the Womens Suffrage movement. So I guess you'll be forfeiting your right to vote, come next year - and in perpetuity - amirite? You and all your Stockholm Syndrome-d sisters-in-Christ?
"We see an understanding of this in Numbers Chapter 30."
'I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.'
-Thomas Jefferson
Matthew 7:16: 'Ye shall know them by their fruits. '
Oh yes, we know you & your ilk, Nancy: Dominionists.
Protection, against whom/what?
Ughhhhhhhhh. There's no reason why a single adult female should have to ask her father's permission for anything. That is fucking disgusting.
It isn't about "protection"; it's about control. They just like to tell you lies so you'll believe it.
Wake up, Nancy.
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