[Responding to the claim that the poster can't know what she'd do if she were faced with the choice of aborting or dying as a result of continuing the pregnancy]
no, i havent been in that situation. my aunt died as a result of not aborting her child. my cousin is now healthy and a wonderful person. do you think for a second my aunt regrets giving up her life so that her child would have one? no, of course not. and neither would i.
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We are told that the aunt died as the result of the pregnancy. I wonder if the aunt knew she was at risk. If she knew, then she made her choice and accepted the risk. This represents the essence of pro-choice. On the other hand, if the aunt had no idea, then we don't know if she would have had an abortion or not. If this was the case, then your claim about her is baseless.
Also, for your consideration, the dead have no regrets because regrets are for the living.
You assume that she doesn't regret it. Now, let's pretend for a second that there is some sort of after-life. How do you know that she's happy? Maybe she wants her son to be there instead of this shit-hole?
Without make-believe, we can safely assume she doesn't feel anything about the decision, as she doesn't exist.
Very few people are capable of such an extreme expression of abstract love. I know that if my wife were pregnant, and carrying the child to term had a significant chance of the death of my wife, there would be no question: I would choose my wife. I love her more than any abstract concept of a "child." That may be selfish, but I'm comfortable with that. I would not condemn my wofe to death merely to pass on my genetic material.
ADDITIONAL:
I propose a new Message Board Law.
"Shaivo Syndrome"
The longer a thread concerning the morality of a medical decision continues, the closer the odds of someone mentioning Teri Shaivo gets to 100%."
Was your Aunt ever given the option? That is, did a doctor ever say, this pregnancy will kill you if you don't abort? I would have to know what your aunt died of to know if she actually could have been "saved" by an abortion.
For example, during my first pregnancy I was diagnosed with cervical cancer (yes, that icky disease you fundies want to withhold a vaccine for, sanctimonious pricks). The doctors gave me the option of being treated with almost 100% success and losing the baby or waiting until after childbirth and having a much lowered chance of successes. I chose to carry on the pregnancy. The doctors induced labor a month early once his lungs were mature and the baby was fine (9lbs!). I had surgery and almost died from blood loss (I always thought that would be a peaceful death, but heck if you aren’t violently ill).
Anyway, I chose the baby over myself because it was my first pregnancy. If it had been my sixth, I would have had to choose myself. My children need a mother more than they need another sibling.
I wish no other couples would ever have to make the decision that my husband and I did, but I know it happens every day. The fact is, I am glad it was our decision and not the State's commandment.
"my aunt died as a result of not aborting her child."
How sad. I'm sorry for your loss.
"my cousin is now healthy and a wonderful person."
Great.
"do you think for a second my aunt regrets giving up her life so that her child would have one?"
Nope. I don't think your aunt does anything at all... she's dead.
Whether or not your aunt would have willingly died for the chance her fetus would survive is not really the pertinent point. I support her right to die trying to have a baby and I support the right of others to have an abortion.
"no, of course not. and neither would i."
Bully for you. As long as you are an adult, I support YOUR right to die trying to have a baby, too.
As long as she's not implying or demanding that all women should risk death for their unborn fetus, I have no issue... she's more than welcome to choose to take the risk in my book. It is, after all, her life and her body.
Of course, one can talk big about sacrificing their life for another person. Being in the actual situation may prove things to turn out a bit differently. For instance, what if Jackie already had a child or two? She would die and leave all of her children motherless? Hm.
putting aside for a moment the obvious points about choice, I'd like to bring up a religious point, if this person is indeed a fundy.
If you know you're going to die if you don't have an abortion, isn't that suicide by pregnancy? If so, isn't it the bigger sin? One can have an abortion and repent, but once you're dead you don't get time to repent. Isn't suicide, by definition, the only "mortal sin"?
Good one, TDR. You should present this little paradox then step back and watch the smoke coming out of their ears ^^
Sadly, I think most of them would fall back on dogma without even processing the question...
Of course she doesn't regret it, she's fucking dead. Dead people can't regret things, they can just decompose and get eaten by worms (and sometimes claw themselves out of their grave and feast on the brains of the living).
I agree that she doesn't regret it
Mostly because dead people don't regret things, being entirely too dead to worry about that
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