[Luckily, we are secular and free from any FORCED religion.]
Try telling that to Christian schoolchildren who are hammered with secular humanism all day at school!
FORCED religion is OK as long as it is secular atheism.
Just another hypocrisy coming from the left!
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And not teaching religion is not the same as enforcing atheism. You can be as devoutly Christian as you like in schools. You just can't let it disrupt school proceedings, or force it on anyone else. But that's exactly the problem, isn't it?
Read a damn dictionary, secular humanism is a philosophy, not a religion, and it is not forced down anyone's throats. "Just another hypocritical lie from the right"! If you can't fight an idea with the truth, make up something, shout it vehemently, and assume that your audience is too lazy and stupid to check it out(hey it works for Rush and GOPFOXNEWS) Business as usual for the fundies and neo-cons of the GOP.
Just for the record, atheism and secularism ARE NOT RELIGIONS. The fact that they're not permitted to force their beliefs into others, doesn't mean they're indoctrinated into atheism or discriminated.
1 Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of any religious beliefs, so let's put that strawman to bed.
2 Atheism is not forced in public schools.
This calls for a parody.
"Try telling that to Blond schoolchildren who are hammered with hairless baldism all day at school!
FORCED hair colour is OK as long as it is baldism."
Can you pick up what I'm trying to say?
Of course atheism is a church.
In the name of the Dawkins, the Sagan, and the Holy Darwin, Amen.
Try telling that to Christian schoolchildren who are taken on nature walks and exposed to insects with a Biblically incorrect number of legs. Forced religion is OK as long as it is six-legs-ism.
Seriously, though, it wasn't the supposed hammering with secular humanism in public schools that prompted me to deconvert.
The only way atheism would be forced upon your kids is if the teachers were glaring at them and yelling "GOD DOES NOT EXIST! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, YOU'LL BE SORRY."
You see, that would be forceful. And a threat. Weird, it sounds a like like the way fundies keep yelling about how God exists and we're all going to burn in hell if we don't convert...
Who wants to be the first one to charge a Christian with menacing?
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Try telling that to schoolchildren who are hammered with 3000 year old bullshit all day at school!
FORCED religion is OK as long as it is christianity.
Just another hypocrisy coming from the right G.O.P SOB's!
You switched from "secular humanism" which is not a religious stance, but simply one that restrains itself to simple, empirical facts without reference to any stance on divinity, to "secular atheism," which I assume is the same as secular humanism, only with a clear stance of the non-existence of any form of divinity.
In the real world, we call that a "bait and switch," and it doesn't help your case. What is taught in schools is simply the demonstratable reality of the physical world. They don't even presume to touch on the preternatural.
Neither secular teachings nor atheism are religions. Secular teachings are based in scientific practice and do not take religion into account, and atheism is the belief that there is no God. Unless the school forces children to chant, "There is no God," I sincerely doubt that they are teaching atheism.
Just because a grade-school science class disagrees with your Bible on basic biology, you assume your children are being 'taught secular atheism'?
"Little Suzy told me that her teacher was claiming bats aren't birds! She's trying to teach my kid to be an atheist!"
Something that the ill mind of this people can't contemplate is that those kids grow uneasier about their bringing up is the fact that they encounter different people with different beliefs and rearing in the school, so they start questioning the absolute nature of theirs. That's not indoctrination, it's just that you can't shelter them forever from the world. If you had firmer beliefs, you wouldn't worry.
Secular humanism is a philosophy, as someone already stated. It's not taught in schools. Kids can pray, go to church all they want, as long as they don't disrupt or skip classes!
"Today, class, we're going to learn about fact families!"
Right.
'Secular' and 'atheism' are not inseparable. 'Secular' means that the subject matter has nothing to do with religion. 'Atheism' is the belief that there is no god.
The sciences are taught in a secular way because secular science is the only unbiased science. Secular science does not disprove God, nor does it aim to (although it does bring into question the literality of Genesis).
My school taught evolution and creationism. But it taught evolution in Biology class and creationism in Religious Education class. It was quite clear about the fact that creationism is something some people believe; it never told us to accept nor reject it.
Yes, evolution was presented as fact. But that's because it is. Secular science has discovered it to be so. Remember, secular science is neither biased for nor against God. Secular =/= atheist.
Yes, those poor Christian children having a portion of their day NOT having the Bible crammed down their throat. A secular school favors no religious bias. NO RELIGION. Hell, you guys luck out by the fact of having your holidays as integrated into society, so they get the benefits of Easter and Christmas being presented (Even if they weren't yours to begin with, but I digress.) What about Haunakkah? Qwanzaa? Hmmm? You guys get a lot more concessions in the school system than any other religion, so sit down, and SHADDAP!
last time I checked, nobody was being taught not to believe in God in American schools. Quite the opposite unfortunately.
And if atheism/secular humanism is a religion, not collecting stamps must be a freaking hobby.
Well, wrong on a number of counts. Atheism isn't a religion, secularism doesn't need to be forced since it's a default position, et cetera. But on the other hand, if it means people like you go away, maybe we should start with the whole "forced atheism" thing.
“Try telling that to Christian schoolchildren who are hammered with secular humanism all day at school!”
“FORCED religion is OK as long as it is secular atheism.”
“Just another hypocrisy coming from the left!”
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