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Matt Dedinas #fundie ideas.rebuildtheparty.com

The notion that we all come from a single amoeba that one minute wasn't there and the next minute was is far less scientific than Intelligent Design. Looking at it in a purely empirical way, Intelligent Design is possible, even probable. For an amoeba to suddenly appear out of nowhere is statistically impossible. Furthermore, this theory is the brainchild of one Alexander Oparin, a Soviet scientist of early in the era of Stalin . It was put forward to prop up that rotten regime.

to impose upon people as fact a shoddy Stalinist theory is not science, it is Fascism. What are you so afraid of, allowing people to explore the theory of Intelligent Design? Afraid it might be true?

Yes, some Pope five hundred years ago did act unscientifically. He also acted Unscripturally. Nowhere in the bible does it say that the Sun revolves around the Earth. Nor does it say that any Bishop has the authority to put the screws to a man who believes otherwise. He violated the tenets of Christianity as flagrantly as he violated the tenets of science.

I was a history major, but I had to take a couple science classes. I remember the this one teacher saying that science, boiled down its essence, is human curiousity. The ACLU denying the free speech of believers in Intelligent Design are just as bad as whatever Pope arrested Galileo. They deny the aspirations of this human curiosity.

Something else the teacher said, I remember well. He said that you can't do better than what we have for the human body. He wasnt making a religious statement either. He just said that if you tried to design the body any better than it is, you wont succeed.

Matt Dedinas #fundie ideas.rebuildtheparty.com

this thread is absolutely wrong, the entire premise is based on falacy. there has never been an Atheistic government that hasn't been bloody and filling mass graves. the French revolution was the most humane (actually least inhumane) where you measure death in the tens of thousands rather than millions. I learned all about it as lad, descended from Polish grandparents, watching my distant cousins demonstrating outside the Polish embassy. Ronald Reagan, the Pope, Lech Walensa and the Solidarity demonstrators were the Christians fighting for freedom against the tyrannical Atheistic governments of the Soviet Bloc.

America was founded on Biblical principles. Our Declaration of Independence derives from the philosophies of John Locke, very nearly word-for-word. And the sole source of authority for Locke's arguments? Scripture aka the Bible. If the Bible is not true, then every premise of American Liberty is not true either. That is what conservatism is fighting- the notion that man, that Big Brother, has the right to dictate to any other man, as opposed to there being a higher law, which makes us all free.

Who says Christians are anti-science? The Byzantine Empire of the Medieval period was fanatically Christian, and they, during the Dark Ages knew the world was round and deployed flame-throwers to defend their capital at Constantinople in 667-675 AD and 717-718 when besieged by a numerically superior Arab enemy. The Dutch reform Calvinists, who the Puritans considered co-religionists, were also the most advanced people in the 17th century.

So-called "Christian extremists" were the people who fought for what was right in a sick world, and they were the founders of America also. Puritans and Dutch Reform Calvinists were the builders of the Modern Republic. thank God for those "religious Right" abolitionists in England and America. More secular minded people used to roll their eyes at Christians who fought first the slave trade then slavery itself.

It is quite disconcerting to see Conservatives fall into the traps laid by intellectually dishonest Liberal historical revisionists.

Matt Dedinas #fundie ideas.rebuildtheparty.com

well Gaol, if you mean the difference between what Liberal myth-makers consider "pure science" and actual science, yes I see a big difference. The whole "Christians are anti-science" myth was created by pro-abortion types to justify their views, not by any intelligent argument, but rather by smearing their opponent. there's no more truth to what they say than there is to rasenkunde taught by the scientists at the University of Berlin in the 1930s.

As for pure science vs technology, you arent going to advance in one without advancing in the other. And I notice you dont respond to any other era I note besides Byzantine.

We would not have walked on the Moon if it werent for the advances made by the Dutch back when they were co-religionists with the Puritans.