[Bastardization? Really? How am I corrupting these texts? Please feel free to explain because frankly its quite simple. God says babies are innocents. God says killing innocents is murder. God killed innocents. Fact fact fact based on your texts, all three. It looks like rather you are dissatisfied with my conclusion that your god committed murder.]
Dissatisfied sums it up, yeah. Can you not see how you cherry picked two unrelated sentences and forced them together to prove your point? The logic is clear... God has the capacity to know and judge fairly where you do not. Given the whole concept of fallibility as accepted by Christians and Jews, your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical. Simple as that.
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Abortion has liberated women to make choices with their bodies, which they own, which belong to them. The meme, keep to the meme.
I'm learning your lines, assimilating. The Borg, the Borg. You're safer now. The Borg are nurturing your mind with liberating thoughts.
Everything God does is right, even when he says it's wrong. That's the logic here. That's Christian morality, or lack thereof, in a nutshell.
"...your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical. Simple as that."
And whose religion is supposed to be the ultimate authority on morality, again?
Seriously though, it's when these people start defending divinely sanctioned murder, especially of children, that you can really see how ugly this line of thinking gets.
Do me a favor. Read 1 Samuel 15. You don't need to take my word for it, but to summarize, god commanded Saul to wipe out an entire group of people, sparing no one. Men, women, children, even their livestock. Then when Saul showed mercy on the children, god punished him for not carrying out his ordered exactly.
Mudak,
that's nothing Mudak, look what He did to everyone not in the Ark.
@UHM below , witty and cutting. Ever think of employment in comedy. And how titillated the grown-ups are. Risque. Edgy. Give you an honorarium at any Ivy League.
Given the whole concept of fallibility as accepted by Christians and Jews, your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical. Simple as that.
I hope you don't mind being reminded of that statement the next time you start bloviating about abortion killing innocent babies .
Babies deserved to be murdered. Fetuses, however, are a totally different thing. And as for guns, their lives are paramount.
Heh. Even when a Christian agrees with you, you make fun of them. Guess it's once designated Bad Guy, always a Bad Guy. Oh, but he made fun of your immaturity, well then.
So what you're saying is that God is able to judge that babies are not innocent, and that he's allowed to kill them because he's God?
Your God is not a nice person at all.
Given the whole concept of fallibility as accepted by Christians and Jews, your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical. Simple as that.
Except of course that Jesus his very self stated the exact opposite in Matthew 19:14.
But otherwise you're right, I guess.
A similar thing to this happened on the Atheist experience show recently. A host was saying how God steps in after a child is raped, despite being able to prevent it, and how a moral person would actively prevent it from happening.
Does God punish the righteous along with the wicked? That's one of my favourite biblical contradictions.
The baby one is pretty good. Jesus made a big fuss about how innocent and good kids are. Augustine disagreed and invented original sin. And in the Old Testament God kills, supports the killing, and orders the killing of children.
C-c-contradiction.
your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical.
He's probably right on that one. The Bible says remarkably little about children, except as chattel.
Canuovea
We can't even begin to see what's on the other side of the grave. How judgments, rewards, remonstrations get handed out there is another thing to what our eyes behold.
How the audience reviews your performance. How the critiques write it up. Who employs you next are things the audience still in the theatre cannot behold. Its all beyond the curtain.
God has the capacity to know and judge fairly
Yet he chooses not to time and time again.
Murdering children just scratches the surface of how evil he is. What is worse is that, most of the time, he commands others to do it for him.
PG,
What do you mean? The Old Testament was referring to punishment in this life, not the afterlife.
In Genesis, God is shown to not destroy the righteous with the wicked. That was the point of Sodom. But... in one of the Ezekiel books, God announces his plans to punish Israel and kill both the righteous and the wicked.
Again, these aren't punishments in the afterlife...
And the killing of children is a pretty odd situation in the Bible, you must admit.
Canuovea
No; what happens in temporal space is discipline, dealing, learning, remonstration, reproof, chastisement. Judgement is what happens at the Great
That doesn't change the fact that God apparently changed his mind about it, if you believe the bible to be literal and 100% accurate.
And Great White Throne had me thinking of a throne made from Sharks, it just sprang to my mind. That was wonderful, thank you.
@P-G
I have to concur with Canuovea. The Hebrew Scriptures refer to punishment in this life and there is no indication that there is judgement in an afterlife. Such ideas come from the influence of Hellenism in the last couple of centuries BCE.
We can't even begin to see what's on the other side of the grave. How judgments, rewards, remonstrations get handed out there is another thing to what our eyes behold.
If this is the case, there seems to be no point in speculation or discussion of what these are or the reasons such judgements may be made. If you believe these things will happen, it would be far better to carry on as if such judgements etc. did not exist.
If that really is you in the Quote#94329 thread, I am very disappointed in your moral poverty and deceit in weaseling out of a donation to charity. I had expected better. If not, then you had better explain yourself.
@ Apatheist
RE "I've never understood how people can trust an understanding they don't actually understand..." I have to give them that one.
Of course, my acceptance is provisional, and based on the assurances of people I trust who provide evidence, and whose claims are capable of being proven wrong, and they demonstrate real-world effects and their reasoning.
@Phillip-George(c)2013:
Mudak,
that's nothing Mudak, look what He did to everyone not in the Ark.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely", you mean? Soooo, you're saying that your supposedly perfect and omnibenevolent God isn't immune to corruption? That has to qualify as blasphemy. Enjoy your Hell :P
As for the scenario you describe, if I had absolute/divine power I'd catch the "pro-life" leaders and lawmakers by the scruff of their necks, show it all to them and ask them "see what your attempts to make it impossible for women to have the abortion they needed have lead to? Instead of having the safe, easy and cheap early term abortion they could have had, they found themselves blocked until this crazy back-alley abortionist was the only option that they had left..."
Confused?
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