Robert Byers #fundie

Robert Byers #fundie iidb.org

I'm surprised at how you feel you need to cling to the idea that all female animals (or some or any) have pain at birthing.
Very interesting
Well
Perhaps you guys never knew this very pregnany aspect of human reproduction . Not even suspected it.

I insist that only female people have pain at childbirth.
Not apes or elephants.
If I'm wrong then a few references from the science sources you all tell me you haunt should PROVE ME WRONG.
All chips in boys.

The hyaena makes my case. If this is all you got then there must be a fundamental difference between our women and allll the kinds of animals that give live birth. (Unles you saying chickens egg laying isn't as fun as it seems).
I also insist the hyaena is not suffering pain giving birth in any way similiar in its process to the womenfolk. There may be a 2 second yelp for a first birth rip. This doesn't count and shows desperation on your part to say this is birth pains too.

Again I say all my knowledge on human birthpain exclusity is from evolutionist premised literature.
They explain away it by saying upright walking changed this and that. Not about a bigger head but thats a good point too I guess. Though I'd take a baby head over a rhino butt anyday.
Did I hit a embarrassing nerve??

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old comment by David B.

Human females certainly have a harder time giving birth than other mammalian species, even other apes. Guess why?

[Did I hear someone say 'original sin'?]

Nope, good ol' evolution is to blame for that one. You see, we have only fairly recently developed bipedalism, yet our earliest hominid ancestors like 'Lucy' had pelvises as wide as modern humans, despite being much smaller. This rotation of the pelvis to an upright position enabled us to be bipedal, and wasn't initially a problem to birth, but as we began to increase in size, particularly in head size, it became a fairly major problem; we had, in effect, evolved ourselves into a corner.

Fortunately, we had also evolved ourselves into strongly social groups an females were able to to get the assistance with giving birth that they had come to need.

The human pelvis, in relation to giving birth, is one of those pesky sub-optimal bits of 'design' that demonstrate we were put together by blind, natural forces and not intelligent, benevolent gods.

(See Karen Rosenberg and Wenda Trevathan's 1996 article, "Bipedalism and human birth: the obstetrical dilemma revisited", in Evolutionary Anthropology volume 4, pp161-168.)

old comment by Calilasseia

Just for everyone's information ...

[1] This individual addressed these comments to a forum whose membership includes professional scientists. Who posted this AFTER people posted details of other mammals giving birth.

[2] This individual also entertains other dipshit ideas (I've already mentioned in another comment here his ludicrous views on marsupials) which are couched in the same word-salad prose. In fact, I've yet to see a single post this individual has made at IIDB in which even some simple two syllable words are not mis-spelt.

Basically, this is yet another reason I (and others) think he's posting from inside a special hospital. Because I cannot imagine a human being with functioning brain cells reaching adulthood (he's 42 by the way) without encountering assorted realities about reproduction. I suspect he's been institutionalised all his life and the nearest he's come to learning about reproductive matters is playing pocket billiards.

old comment by Nightangel1282

You... are a fucking moron.
We once placed a cat who was in labor into a laundry hamper with old towels placed in the bottom in the hopes of making her more comfortable. She was breathing very heavily and when it came time to actually PUSH the kittens out..... Ho-lee SHIT.
That cat was twisting and turning like a rabid rhinocerous and howling in pain at the top of her poor little lungs. You think that's not labor pain?
You, Robert, are full of shit.
Oh, and as far as the chickens laying eggs go....
Go visit a farm, find a chicken who's laying eggs, and I DARE you to try touching that chicken. If you get out of it WITHOUT getting violently and repeatedly pecked, I'll be VERY surprised. This is coming from a girl who grew up on a farm.
All females of all species experience labor pains. That is a fact. Live with it.

Calilasseia's hypothesis is not impossible and I don't know the situation, but I too can provide informed speculation about another possibility. High control groups (cults) and patriarchy can result in this. It's so important to pretend that women deserve special punishment. Then there's active indoctrination, also targetting the youth, the segregation and the obstruction of actual independent education. The last sentence suggests an intent to shame the subjugated victim "stay in your place, breed my seed and shut up"...

Then the mention of evolution is obviously because it's also the denial of what science discovered about our origins. To affirm the origin myth story, not only biology will be rejected and misrepresented with straw men, but also geology and astronomy. They've proven that man was not the center of the universe, humbling those who claim to have special "divine" status.