Anonymous, NYC #fundie

Anonymous, NYC #fundie chabad.org

[Chabad posts on its website a letter from a Catholic nun, who was in a relationship with a Jewish woman.]

Beware of the dangers of tragic stories

We want to be compassionate kind human beings and that sometimes can gradually lead to too much toleration.

Personalized heart-breaking stories can lead or manipulate more and more good people to making long-term incremental changes that eventually harm their own community. First comes recognition of the ‘pain’ of others with our empathy and sympathy, then some measure toleration, then more toleration and acceptance, and finally Laws are amended.

The politically-correct liberalization of Judaism in America with Jews re-writing the Laws to fit their modern social and political values and placate their egos has created a Holocaust of Assimilation and brought great damage to our families.

Publishing such a story pushes for some limited degree of emotional acceptance for homosexual couples and interfaith marriages. This is a line that should not have been breached.

53 comments

old comment by Mister Spak

"Personalized heart-breaking stories can lead or manipulate more and more good people to making long-term incremental changes that eventually harm their own community."

The next thing you know, liberals will be passing law against beating someone up and tying him to a fence.

" has created a Holocaust of Assimilation and brought great damage to our families. "

Because that's what Hitler did, he vigorously enforced civil rights laws.

Edit: notice the comments about idol worshippers. Dumbass jewish fundies think christians worship statues. For additional irony, protestant fundies like to say catholics aren't christians because they worship statues.

old comment by Passerby

You are even more disgustingly irreverant and malicious with the use of the term 'Holocaust' than Israel's current government.

And that's saying something.

Disclaimer: Nothing against the religion itself, (okay so there's more than a few passages in Abrahamic texts that scare the shit out of me and put me in a vengeful state of mind, but overall...) just the assholes using it and past atrocities committed against the innocent as an excuse for being such assholes. I mean seriously, what the fuck? Promising genocide against other countries? Do they mock their OWN suffering? jewish philosopher, who has shown up several times on this site with words to scare the living shit out of everyone by, is a prime example of that mindset.

Asshole.

In the words of some musicians whose names I can't remember: An injustice anywhere is an injustice... anywhere.

old comment by Wykked Wytch

@Lizuka - I put this in FSTDT and not RSTDT because the opposition to same-sex relationships and intermarriage are based on religious reasons, not racial reasons. Judaism is not really limited to any particular race. There are in fact quite a few Jews of color but unfortunately they tend to be marginalized.

As a child of an interfaith marriage myself (my mother is Jewish and my father is an ex-Catholic), I've gotten the "cold shoulder" or the "pity treatment" from more religious Jews a few times. They tend to look down on me because my family isn't as authentically Jewish as they are. Most of them aren't like that, of course, but there are some real arrogant schmucks out there.

old comment by Boo

I think the overall point that tragic stories can manipulate people into bad decisions, purely because people want to be compassionate kind human beings, is a good one.

I mean, look at the MMR scare. Whenever it was reported, it was always through tragic stories of individual children who had supposedly suffered because of it, which ignored the thousands of children who didn't suffer the illnesses that they were safely vaccinated against. Looking at the facts, not only was there no danger but even if there had been the level of danger proposed, the government would still have had no choice but to push vaccination, because otherwise there would have been all these tragic stories of children dead from measles.

Or look at immigration. One side uses tragic stories of no room in the hospital or the school to push for no immigration at all. The other side uses tragic stories of immigrants who just want a better life, and of course our instinct is to let that particular person or family in, but we can't actually let everyone with a tragic story in. We need a nuanced position, based on facts, and tragic stories stop that.

Even though he mentioned the Holocaust, I won't Godwin myself, but do remember that Tragic Stories can be use to push for any emotional position, and cause us to disregard our basic principles.

“Beware of the dangers of tragic stories”
Beauty and the Beast was propaganda to get girls to accept arranged marriages. I’d be more leery of stories with happy endings, personally.

“We want to be compassionate kind human beings and that sometimes can gradually lead to too much toleration.”
I don’t think that’s really an issue. TOO much tolerance?

“Personalized heart-breaking stories can lead or manipulate more and more good people to making long-term incremental changes that eventually harm their own community.”
I’ve known you for 45 seconds and i’m pretty sure you’re trying to justify being phobic about the Other.

"First comes recognition of the ‘pain’ of others with our empathy and sympathy, then some measure toleration, then more toleration and acceptance, and finally Laws are amended.”
You mean, i think, Progress.
CHanging laws that appeal to the isolationist few is a good thing.

“The politically-correct liberalization of Judaism in America with Jews re-writing the Laws to fit their modern social and political values and placate their egos has created a Holocaust of Assimilation and brought great damage to our families.”
Define ‘damage,’ please. IN this context.
Examples, please.

“Publishing such a story pushes for some limited degree of emotional acceptance for homosexual couples and interfaith marriages. This is a line that should not have been breached”
This is a line that shouldn’t fucking exist in the first place. More love is always better than more xenophobia, racism, sexism, or other bigotry.