[Randy's response to a poster saying the US isn't a Christian Nation]
FACT: The original settlers who came to America were Bible-believers looking to escape the religious persecution of the Catholic church and the Church of England
I could continue, but anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that this is a CHRISTIAN NATION!
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"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ..."
Fact one, none of the Pilgrim fathers was trying to scape from the Catholic church. Second, the first ammendment means that no law will be based in a concrete religious belief. If you don't understand it, the whole discussion is useless.
Every time Captain Ross of the USS Make-Shit-Up sees a thread having ANYTHING to do with the USA or politics on his forum, he always goes out of his way to cram it down the throats of people as far as possible that it is a CHRISTIAN NATION!111~~~~ Wishful thinking at best, idolatry at worst. I don't really think changing his mind on this is possible, even with every possible document laid bare before him.
This amendment does not say that a government may not, for example, post the ten commandments on public property or endorse a prayer at the beginning of a meeting of some kind.
Oh sweet jesus this one will be fun.
The majority of the men who created the government of this nation were men who worshiped God. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is a myth that occurs nowhere in the Constitution of the United States.
It's a phrase used in civics classes to express the principle incorporated in the Constitution. Jefferson, one of the Constitution's authors, wrote "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state ." Incidentally, Bro, Jefferson wrote this as an assurance to Baptists, who were afraid of being discriminated against back in those days.
This amendment does not say that a government may not, for example, post the ten commandments on public property
Yes it does, unless it's in some non-religious context. The US District Court ruled that Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's posting of the Ten Commandments in his court was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case (which essentially meant they agreed with the District Court ruling).
The Word of God is used in conjunction with some oath whenever a public official is sworn into office.
Only if the official chooses to do so. The Constitution forbids any religious test as a condition of office.
FACT: The most common pieces of material printed by our Government (currency) contains the phrase "In God We Trust"
"FACT: Since the creation of the Judicial system (excluding recent actions of the ACLU), anyone who testified in a court of law had to swear an oath before God to tell the truth with their hand on the Bible."
It's interesting that in his first 'fact', he states that people came to America to escape catholicism, but in his sixth 'fact' he has no problem grouping catholics with people like himself so he can play his little numbers game.
What an ignorant twat. I'll just pick up on one error ... Maryland was founded by Catholics, dimwit. (As was Florida, California, Louisiana ...)
I really can't stand it when I hear people saying stuff like "the Constitution doesn't mention 'separation of church & state'", as if some literal mention of a word or phrase governs the law. Similar concepts can be referenced in a number of different ways. "Patents" and "copyrights" aren't mentioned in the U.S. Constitution either, but no one doubts the power of Congress to enact laws in these areas under Art. I, Sec. 8, Cl. 8.
Randy, Randy, Randy! you've been sampling the communion wine again haven't you? silly boy, you know it goes straight to that micro-brain of yours! Australia is more of a christian nation that America is (after all our head of state is the Queen of England and she's also the head of the Church of England). you're founding fathers more than once commanded that they wanted to separate the church from the state! cause freedom of religion also means freedom from religion asstard!
Fact: the first European settlers came to America looking for PROFITS, not religious freedom.
Fact: posting the 10 Commandments is "promoting religion."
Not only the Treaty of Tripoli... but if you'd bother reading your own sacred text, Randy boy, you'd see that Jesus said to "render unto Caesar..." - yes, even Christ called for the separation of church and state!
Fact: Randy has totally overlooked the long, proud historical traditions of Baptists as the prime defenders of the separation of church and state. Once upon a time, the Baptists knew what it was like to get the short end of that stick.
Jefferson characterized the intent of the First Amendment as separation of church and state.
FACT: Some were, some weren't. Some were persecuted for their lack of faith, altogether.
Finally...Treaty of Tripoli.
So, if this is a christian nation, what do we do?
Do we kill all the Jews? Do we kill all the Muslims (as bush wants)? Do we kill all the Mormons? Do we kill all the agnostics? Do we kill all the atheists? Do we kill all the Deists? Do we kill all the non-evangelical christians, such as the Catholics, the Episcopalians, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, the Unitarians, etc...?
Just what do we do? Obviously evangelicals have no use for anyone else.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense should read the Constitution of this country, and realize that this country is not beholding to ANY organized belief system.
Or does this simple truth go against the blind faith manufactured by your warped little mind?
History revision does not change reality.
You can't escape from reality. You peddle your lies, but we end up laughing at you. You want to know why? Because you don't live in reality, Randy.
... Wow, that was really dark. Blame my love for creepyfuck.
* So they were persecuted by both Catholics and Protestants? And none of them figured out that building a state on one religion might be a stupid thing to do?
Mamon is much more worshiped than Christ in the US, ya know. Christ was just some commie hippie, after all, if you look closely.
FACT: Even today, in the face of overwhelming media bias which would lead us to believe otherwise, and the corresponding revision of history more than 80% of the population of the United States professes to be Christian
Professes, yes, maybe. But in reality, much much less people actually practice their religion. The screaming fundies are a minority, and they know it.
Even the USA cannot avoid the persistent trend in the western nations that the majority of people simply gets disinterested in religion, in droves:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/12/god-church-attendance-/1
Culturally, the US may be largely Christian, but that doesn't change the fact that legally , the US is in fact secular.
"no law respecting an establishment of religion"
This is why they try to say they're not a religion. To promote, display or operate under religious doctrane is all not allowed. Hence no religious doctranes or symbols in goverment building.
And certainly no statement of being a nation of one religion.
"FACT"S 1, 2, 3 and 9 are outright lies. Facts 5, 6 and 8 are irrelevent. Fact 7 is so utterly contrary to reality as to be psychotic.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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