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Those currently in the political sphere, the media sphere, the 'hollywood' sphere, are currently the ones with the means and voice to name the tune.

Their current top ten 'tunes' are:

1. Abortion is ok
2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!
4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
5. Judging is bad
6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.
10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

No one wants to be kicked off the island, laughed at, banished, looked down upon, or ignored. so following the above 'rules' allows one admittance to a plethora of 'different clubs'.

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old comment by HazelHolly

1. It's not "okay", but in some cases, it's the lesser of two evils.
2. There's nothing wrong with gay marriage. Innocent until proven guilty; it's okay until you can prove it's not. My aunt and uncle are unmarried and have a child, and they are a FAMILY.
3. Leviticus.
4. The easiest way to stop drug problems is to legalise and mainstream drugs, so that you get drugs from the government. You can wean people off slowly and get them help.
5. No, prejudice is bad.
6. If you're rich and successful, then good on you (if it's legitimate). If you're rich, successful and greedy/selfish, shame on you!
7. Yeah, this one's silly. Boosting people's self-esteem is good, but a little bit of competition is healthy.
8. Uh... why would that be a bad thing?
9. Pie chart, please.
10. Guns do more damage then they're worth. Lisences might work.

old comment by Serph-no-Okami

Now for the actual views:

1. Abortion is sometimes a necessary evil, but not without proper sex ed!
2. Gay marriage and cohabitation are ok, as they should be.
3. You cannot cherrypick laws, like illegaly banning marriage based on sexual preference of forcing woman what to do with their own bodies.
4. Trying to ban drugs isn't really working but that does not mean people advocate making the likes of LSD or XTC legal.
5. Judging is bad when you're no paragon of integrity yourself (and really, who is?)
6. Being rich and successful isn't inherently bad unless it goes at the cost of those who aren't!
7. You actually sort of maybe have a point there, so I'll let that one slide.
8. I really doubt it is, but I know some parents who complain when their kids get bad grades and that irritates me to no end, but then again, it's hardly the norm.
9. People should look down on fundamentalism and any religious practices that voilate laws and human rights, but still too many people get away with it by hiding behind religion. Muslims, Jews and Christians alike.
10. Irresponsible gun ownership is bad, owning a gun in and of itself isn't ideal but not necessary bad.

old comment by Orion

"1. Abortion is ok"
Movies like Juno and Knocked Up were certainly following that line! Oh wait. And the line is:
"abortion is always tragic, but sometimes necessary"

"2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok"
Oh noes! People who aren't devout christians are doing things that only devout christians aren't meant to do! People are being happy, while my silly religious rules constrain me!

"3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow"

Yeah outlaws are a popular subject of fictional movies. But opposition to a law is not breaking that law.

"4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'"

Yeah that's really coming out in the political sphere these days. And that's about right, there are better things the cops could be doing than busting harmless stoners and ravers.

"5. Judging is bad"

Usually yeah, being judgmental is a pretty fast way to be unliked by whomever you judge. Plus very few people can actually claim moral high ground from other people, we've all done bad stuff.

"6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!"

Yeah these guys are real saints. Though I applaud the initiative of Gates in this, it is hardly a great sacrifice to lose half your money if that leaves you with $20 billion dollars. Most rich and successful people get there under our current system by either directly or indirectly exploiting cheap labour, raping the environment and overcharging the consumer. Basically all people of substantial wealth have either done/authorized some pretty horrible shit.

old comment by Orion

part 2

"7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs."

Yeah positivity irritates me too. The gooey feel-goodness shields people from realizing their own flaws or mistakes. I'll agree with you on that.

"8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon"

Okay. Never seen this anywhere. Some feel that intelligence is not quantifiable, but this hardly permeates the education system, the political sphere or movies.

"9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc."

Bullshit, Muslims are more despised openly more than any other world religion at this point in time. All your religions are worthy of loathing.

"10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'."

Which is why hollywood films never give their main characters guns or show action heroes with guns in a positive light. And politicians are close to a resolution to ban all guns and the media is behind them all the way. Yeah bullshit man, Guns and promotion of gun ownership pervade through American society.

You're a fairly dumb hick.

old comment by Doubting Thomas

1. Abortion is ok

Abortion rights are OK.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

Either way, doesn't affect me or bother me a bit. It's going to happen whether you like it or not, so either be OK with it or keep fretting. What business is it of yours if a couple, gay or not, want to live together?

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow,

It works with you and your bible. Eat any shellfish or wear a 60/40 poly/cotton blend shirt lately?

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

I'm against legalization of hard drugs, don't have much of an opinion on marijuana other than it's not as bad as drugs like heroin or meth.

5. Judging is bad

Doesn't your own bible say this? Oh yeah, see #3 above.

old comment by Doubting Thomas

Part 2

6. Being rich and successful is bad

Again, didn't that long hair guy you guys love say as much? Oh yeah, see #3.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

I agree that competition is a good thing. How else can you know how good you are at something without competing?

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

If this were true then I agree it's a bad thing. How is a child going to know how to learn if he doesn't know how well/poorly he's doing?

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK

All three religions are hateful to a certain extent. Don't claim that Christianity has the patent on kindness, because there are some Christian terrorists out there, like the Army of God. And many Christians do beat their wives. And yes, I think that fundamentalist Islam is a violent, oppressive religion.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

I'm all for responsible ownership of firearms. And they're called BB guns. I have no idea what a bibi gun is.

old comment by The Duelist

When Linder opened his mouth about "Eastern Religions", he was referring to Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, etc., because of the following reasons:

1. None of these religions permit violence in any way.
2. All of them(to my knowledge) promote thinking for yourself instead of blindly accepting what teachers tell you.
3. Christian Fundies have always been jealous of said religions because things like meditation are actually proven to work.

He's just ejaculating about how 'demonic' all non-Christian philosophies and religions are, not because he knows anything about them, but merely because they are different from his beliefs.
Oh, and by the way, Islam/"moslem" is the same thing, ya goon.

old comment by GodotIsWaiting4U

1. Well, a necessary evil at least.
2. Yes. It's fine. No problem.
3. Not true. We're willing to enforce illegal immigration laws; we just don't want to set up new, insanely draconian ones like we're the fucking Candlekeep Inn in Baldur's Gate.
4. Well, it's illegal, but not for a good reason. The law shouldn't be ignored; it should be changed.
5. Yep. Suck it.
6. Since when? Hollywood is BUILT on getting rich and successful. It's the capitalist capitol of the entertainment industry. The difficulty is that not all the consumers are capitalist, so they have to pretend to have populist sentiments or people won't buy their shit.
7. No, that's what elementary school is built on. Politics and the media? Hardly.
8. I...what? Where the fuck did this come from? I guess you could make the argument from movies with child protagonists, but the movies are simply pointing out that kids don't like school and don't like being graded, which is just a matter of observable reality.
9. Islam's hateful and full of its own problems, but let's talk REAL Eastern religions, like Buddhism. Buddhism has no honor killings, no wife beatings, nothing violent or bad in any way.
10. If someone makes a rule that you can't bring a firearm somewhere, then you're breaking the rule by bringing the firearm there. 2nd Amendment rights are only related to actions taken by the government, not by private landowners.

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1. Not "okay", but preferable over some other worse alternative.
2. Perfectly fine by me.
3. Law to control ILLEGAL immigration is fine. Except when the way it is done is absolutely moronic (really? Give police all the power to harass someone just because they LOOK illegal?)
4. Because banning it apparently cause more harm, since we don't exactly have infinite money to pay the police.
5. It is, the Bible even specifically stated that.
6. Something about Camel and eye of the needle in the Bible, and about rich people.
7. Jesus doesn't seem to like people who compete with each other.
8. Not the norm in anyway (not in political, media or hollywood). There are cases in media of some snowflake parent, but those are not the norm.
9. They rip on any belief system that violates basic human right, including Islam on "honor killings" (thou technically not Islam, just some screwed up cultural sects, they do have other problem).
10. Jesus said something about sword, and living and dying by it.

In short, the religion you claim America is part of? The stuff you preach goes completely against that!
(As for 10, I like guns, and believe that there should be minimal restrictions on it, maybe treat it like driver licenses).

old comment by Swede

I concur with the first sentence, except for the "currently". This is as it has always been; the people with power are the ones in charge.

1. Abortion is sometimes the lesser of two evils. The option to have a safe abortion in a hospital must be available, or desperate people will try anything to get rid of unwanted embryos.
2. A sounding YES!
3. Nope, laws are to be followed. Your Golden Boy GWB and his puppet-masters was experts in law-cherry-picking, and most fundies are experts in Bible-cherry-picking.
4. Nope, no illegal drugs should be used. You might harm others under the influence. If caffeine, nicotine or alcohol was invented today, they would probably be illegal too.
5. Yes to this one. Only courts should judge.
6. It depends on what you do with your riches, how you became successful and at what.
7. Sometimes competition is good, sometimes it's bad.
8. Kids should first learn that they can do things. Then, when they are mature enough, you can start grading them.
9. Followers of Abrahamic religions are sometimes hateful. (Muslims follow Islam, stupid!) You should not be judged on your faith, but on your actions.
10. Owning firearms increase the risk of harming someone with them, or be harmed by them. But owning alone is not a reason to kick someone off the island. There should be a license, and the gun should be kept unloaded and locked up.

old comment by GigaGuess

Part 1

1. Abortion is ok
No, it is a necessary evil. I would love for abortion to be a thing of the past because it was deemed unnecessary. However, such an idea is naive. A girl shouldn't have to decide between getting an education or carrying a child. Or between having a child and paying rent. Or her very survival...yes, abortions are sometimes performed to save a mother's life.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
Why does what two people do in the privacy of their own homes matter to you?

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!
No, however when you people are screeching to wall off your country, that seems a little too far in the other direction.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
Because locking people up for possessing some weed AS A FELONY is so much better.

5. Judging is bad
Judge not lest ye be judged? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
Being rich is not a sin. However, hoarding wealth while people suffer seems rather selfish to me. If you don't want to share, fine, but I have far more respect for someone who takes from his own plate to give to one who has nothing on theirs.

old comment by GigaGuess

Part 2

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
No, I don't agree with this at all. Kids should learn to be gracious winners, as well as gracious losers.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
Again, I don't agree with this at all. The object of schools is to learn and prepare for the real world. In the real world, you're graded and evaluated.

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.
No, EXTREMISTS are hateful. I have no problem with religion, it's the ones who twist and pervert their religion back to the archaic, tribalistic roots to justify their own hated and prejudices. Also, please don't act like your lot is so pro women. Believe me, you guys just don't have the law enforcing your beliefs.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.
Owning a firearm, I have no issue with. I don't see why registering a firearm is so horrible to you guys. I would particularly prefer to see gun safety as necessary to get said license. However, you guys seem to think the right to bear arms means the right to stockpile enough weapons to make Columbian Drug Lords green with envy, and honestly don't see why the average person looks at you like you're a fucking loon.

old comment by aaa

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

Look, make legal immigration process more reasonable so they do not have to use illegal methods to bring food to the table.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

So, why is tobacco, alcohol and HFCS allowed? How is pot verboten? It's very similar to tobacco in many ways.

Are you mocking people for giving money to charity? Really? And who said anything about owning gold? Gold is a good conductor and valuable for making high-quality electronics.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

What. We don't care about "you are special" shit. We care about results.

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.

These things are already covered under the regular law, you moron. And since when you guys have cared about expressing violence?

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

This shit again? Please. Your bolt action will always be pretty unregulated. Only guns that will be perceived as "evil" will receive flak.

old comment by dionysus

1. Abortion is ok

No, it's not always okay. There are certain circumstances in which it is though.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

So what? Get your fucking big-ass nose out of people's private lives.

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

Laws CANNOT be cherry-picked. However, they CAN be protested. It's called DEMOCRACY.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

Again, get your big, fat nose out of other peoples' business.

5. Judging is bad

Even your fucking Bible says so. "Judge not lest ye be judged" ring a bell?

Being rich isn't bad. Being rich off of the misery of others is.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

Competition is great, and while not everyone should get a trophy self-esteem is freaking important.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

WTF? Who even supports this? If anything, creationists are the ones that want a passing grade despite being completely at variance with reality.

Well, their spokespeople are the ones that give off that impression.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

So celebrities are against guns. So what? They're not forcing people to abandon them (which would violate the Constitution), they're just encouraging it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

old comment by Berny

Thanks, derLinden, for one of the funniest and most retarded things I've reads in months.
1. Not your fucking business. NO one is forcing you to have one.
2. Not your fucking business either. See 1.
3. The laws you are alluding to are racist and target American citizens as well as illegals.
4. Some of Americans anti-drug laws are moronic, especially the ones against marijuana.
5. Judging is fine as long as it happens in court. Keep your retarded hateful opinions to yourself. Your own Bible says not to do it.
6. Are you seriously dissing wealthy individuals who choose to donate their wealth. You are a fuckstick. Refer to your Bible again, specifically what Jesus said about a rich man getting into Heaven.
7. Not everyone agrees with this "self-esteem" crap. However, it's a damn sight better than the Christian "everyone is filth in the eyes of the Lord until they accept Jesus".
8. You are absolutely correct. I would start by grading all homeskooled Christians against state standards including science.
9. Stick around. We ridicule Islam and other religions around here. As for wife beatings, they're not exclusive to Islam.
10. I have no problems with responsible gun ownership. The key word here is "responsible".

old comment by Allegory for Jesus

The conservative Christian talking points tunes, by contrast:

1. Control of childbirth is bad. Every sperm is sacred, every zygote has a soul.
2. Being gay and having sex without a wedding ring is bad. Why? Because.
3. Deporting or jailing illegal immigrants, regardless of how long they've been here or contributed to our society, is both practical and moral.
4. Drugs are bad, even if they aren't harmful.
5. Being judgmental is something to strive for.
6. Charity by rich people is a horrific wrong and people holding onto massive amounts of currency without spending it has no economic consequences!
7. Competition is paramount. Anyone who comes short of 1st place deserves to be spit upon. Fuck people's self-esteem, kids need to learn that there are winners and losers as early as possible!
8. Knowing how actual schools work is frowned upon.
9. The majority religions of the nation don't deserve to be criticized. Islam's beliefs are much worse than Christianity/Judaism because...um...oh, those things they do in 3rd world countries that leftists bring up and oppose adamantly! (Just make sure not to mention the execution of gays and infidels that other fundies drool over in envy!)
10. Gunsgunsgunsgunsgunsgunsguns.

Follow the above, and welcome to Club Crazy!

old comment by schism

Eh, might as well throw in my two cents...

1. Abortion is ok
Yep.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
Yep and yep.

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!
Laws are distinguished according to whether or not they are just. Segregation and slave-holding were laws once, and they were rightly struck down. Furthermore, there's a distinction between opposing a law and opposing the imbalanced application of a law, i.e. crack (used primarily by blacks) being more heavily punished than cocaine (used primarily by whites).

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
"Recreational" drugs aren't habit-forming (or, at least, no more than, say, alcohol or gambling). I do agree with the "sort of ok" part, if only due to the criminal baggage that tends to follow along. I admit I'm not sure how to reconcile that (and no, "convert to Christianity" isn't a solution).

5. Judging is bad
Being judgmental is bad, especially when used to elevate one particular demographic (white Christian men, for example) over all others.

continued...

old comment by schism

Part 2

6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
Being rich and successful and convincing the government to let you off the tax hook is very bad. And gold? Goddamned Beckerheads are everywhere.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
Depends on the competition. Setting corporations and businesses against each other is good, as it discourages economic stagnation. Pitting social classes and races against each other is useless to anyone except demagogues trying to sell books.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
That's largely a straw argument.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.
No, but owning firearms for the express purpose of destroying a lawfully elected government just because you don't like the guy in charge is enough to get you thrown in jail.

old comment by Chris

1. You guys are the ones who keep bringing abortion up. It's legal, it will always be legal. Deal with it.
2. Of course it's ok.
3. lolno. You are the ones who cherry pick pieces of the Constitution, ignoring some pieces and deeming others infallible. Besides, unjust laws do not deserve to be followed.
4. Nope. Using drugs is ok, as long as you aren't hurting anybody else when you use them. And we already have laws against public intoxication and all that.
5. Are you not judging liberals with this very list? Didn't your imaginary friend say something about that.... could've sworn he did.
6. Those who have the means to help their fellow man and choose not to are pathetic narcissists.
7. Funny, since I'm probably the most competitive person I know.
8. What? Where did you get that nonsense?
9. Off the top of my head, I can't think of ANY major religion that hasn't been twisted and used for evil. Even Buddhism has some violence in it's past. Not nearly as much as Christianity, of course.
10. I own 3 handguns, a rifle, a pellet rifle, about 20 knives, and a crossbow. Difference between you and me: I collect weapons because I think they are cool. You collect them so you can stay alive when the Communists invade and try to steal your TV.

old comment by Canadia

1. It's not okay, it's an unfortunate evil that has to be employed under certain circumstance.
2. Sure is.
3. All laws are apparently just in the mind of a RRetard.
4. If nobody other than you is impacted by your drug use, go for it.
5. Probably, but every human being on Earth does it to everyone constantly, aware of it or not.
6. It's not.
7. Yeah, that's one I'll give you as popular in today's PC clime, very much a bad thing.
8. Another thing that's rather accepted as true, but when it comes to America, intellectualism and self-improvement is frowned upon and this spawned from that, I believe.
9. I personally can't stand any of you folk with imaginary friends, no matter what his name is.
10. Another thing I'll give you, for some reason people think the removal of guns from law abiding citizens will reduce gun crime from people who will, due to their criminal nature, just obtain their weapons through less legitimate channels anyway.

old comment by Isa

"1. Abortion is ok"

Abortion is sometimes a necessary evil, like if you were raped, or the condom broke.

"2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok"

Yes, it is okay. They're not harming anyone.

"3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!"

You're fulla shit.

"4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'"

See #2. Also, marijuana, from what I've heard, would probably REDUCE crime if it was legalized, because if you're stoned, the worst thing that could happen is that you can't find some salsa for your burrito.

"5. Judging is bad"

Yes it is.

As long as you're legit, I don't give a rat's ass how much money you have.

"7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon"

I'll give you these, but I call bullshit on #8.

No, any and all religions have the potential for hatefulness. That's human nature, not the result of sucking up to SkyDaddy #42.

"10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'."

First of, it's "BB gun", dumbass. Second, I see no problem with owning a gun if it's for self-defense.

old comment by Pacal

Part One
As per usual Rapture Ready is a home for pathological liars.
1. Abortion is ok
Then why is an abortion almost never shown on TV or in the movies? almost always the women discusses it and then decides not to have it.
In fact I can't remember a primetime abortion since Maude's more than thirty years ago.
2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok
Well actually they are ambivalent about both. Anti-gay sterotypes are still common in movies / TV.
4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'
Really? all those movies and TV shows about how scuzzy drug dealers are and how junkies are losers don't exist! I note the usual implicit thinking that alochol and tabocco arn't drugs. Please explain to me why Marijuana is illegal but Alchol and tabacco which seperately and together kill vastly more people are not.
5. Judging is bad
Fantasy on your part. Racism, Religious bigotry and being a douche are judged and judged harshly in "Hollywood". AS for you I without hesitation judge you to be a pathological liar.

old comment by Pacal

Part Two
6. Being rich and successful is bad (there's currently 41 billionaires that have accepted a challenge to give 1/2 of their wealth away to charity! I need to give them my digits! LOL!) No owning gold is allowed either!
What universe do you live in? "Hollywood" in both movies and TV celebrates money making and wealth almost constantly, along with the idea that gold is wonderful. Oh and just what is wrong with Billionaires giving a chunk of their wealth to charity?
7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.
Haven't seen any movie etc., about sports have you.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon
By who? Except for a few fringe characters and institutions this is guff. Still making it up has you go along I see.
9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK and not to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, including 'honor killings', wife beating, etc.
You just can't help lying can you. May I remind you of Fox news which regularily indulges in hysterical Islamophobia.
10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.
Still lying.

old comment by Pacal

old comment by TB Tabby

And now, a non-straw liberal presents the non-straw versions of liberal views.

1. Abortion is ok

Abortion should be legal because when they're outlawed, women just go get unsafe, illegal abortions. The only thing a ban will accomplish is sweeping it under the rug.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

The only tangible benefits of marriage are legal, and there's no real reason to deny them to same-sex couples. If you want to live together without getting married, we can understand that. Marriage isn't something to be entered lightly.

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

Mindlessly obeying the law leads to support of tyranny. We should decide for ourselves whether laws are just or oppressive. i.e. Illegal immigration laws, which are nothing more than "keep out the brown people" despite the xenophobes' claims. On top of that, the anti-immigration laws simply haven't been that effective. Which brings us to the next argument...

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

Drugs are bad, but the War on Drugs is FAR worse. It's a waste of trillions of tax dollars, It stuffs prisons to overcrowding, tramples on civil rights, increases crime rates, and worst of all, DOESN'T STOP DRUG USE. It's Prohibition all over again.

5. Judging is bad

That's the Bible, not liberals. You wanna judge people, go ahead. But if you're being an asshole about it, we're gonna judge you as an asshole. Don't like it? Stop being an asshole.

old comment by TB Tabby

Being rich and successful isn't bad. Denying charity to the needy when you have more than you need is. Everybody needs a helping hand now and then. And I don't know where you got that "no gold" crap from.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

Competition is fine, but stop taking it too far. Fun is supposed to be FUN. The "win at all costs" mentality is what's wrong with sports today.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

Uh...wha?

Where are you getting that?! We DESPISE the Muslims who do that! We just don't assume that all Muslims are like that, the same way we don't assume all Christians are like David Koresh.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

Guns are lethal weapons, designed to kill. They should be handled with the utmost care at all times. Anyone who can't--or won't--do that should not be allowed to have guns, because they pose a danger to themselves and everyone around them.

old comment by Eden

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow...

You do the same thing with your bible ....when was the last time that you have stoned a female rape victim, or forced her to marry her rapist? According to the bible you must do so ;)
And when was the last time that you killed the preacher of another religion, or killed relatives of yourself because they followed another religion?

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

But let me guess...
drinking alcohol and/or smoking tobacco is O.K. in your own eyes, although they are also drugs

5. Judging is bad

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." ... (Matthew 7:1)
Or think about the words of Jesus when it came to stoning the adulttress:
"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her...." (John 8:7)
So your own bible hints at judging others being a bad thing, especially if you´re just a sinful mortal being ;)

6. Being rich and successful is bad ...

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
Words of your prophet in your holy book...no matter whether you like it or like it not

9. Christian and Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions are A-OK ....

Nope, but if you judge other religions (and well, you people at RR are always eager to judge other religions, especially islam) be prepared that your own religion is judged as well...and christianity has a very bloody history, no matter whether you like it or like it not

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun...

Noone says anything about air guns, they rarely kill people...
firearms on the other hand

old comment by NoriMori

Part 1

1. Abortion is ok

Well, I personally think it should only be used when necessary (i.e. not just as a really late version of the morning-after pill), but I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with it in principle, until the baby attains sentience.

2. Gay marriage is ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage is ok

Um, yeah, it is. I don't see why you have a problem with this.

3. Laws can be cherry picked on which ones to follow, i.e. federal and state illegal immigration laws are NOT to be followed or else you are a racist bigot naughty pants and no soup for you!

My irony meter would've blown up, but its already used to this particular brand of irony. Do you wear mixed fibers? Eat lobster? Stone female rape victims because they "cried not, being in the city"? Make female adultery suspects drink water mixed with dirt from the church floor? No? Then you cherry-pick just as much as anyone else and have no right to complain.

4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' marijuana or other 'recreational drugs'

Well, if I had a choice between having my kids smoke pot and having my kids do crack or heroin, I'm pretty sure I'd go with the pot.

5. Judging is bad

Isn't there something in the Bible about "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? How about "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Some judging, when it's needed or expected, is normal (i.e. America's Got Talent, work environment), but judging everyone, all the time, is totally unwarranted, because nobody is the paragon of virtue.

old comment by NoriMori

Part 2

No, being rich and successful in and of itself is not bad, but being rich and miserly and selfish and greedy is. I would have no problem with people being rich if they were all like J. K. Rowling, and if 1% of the world's population didn't have 80% of the world's wealth. People having an obscene amount of money that they don't need, at the expense of poor people around the world, is disgusting. Period.

7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs.

Some competition is normal and healthy. But making absolutely every aspect of life a competition is extremely damaging. There are some areas in life where no one should have to compete and if people are made to compete in said areas, then yes, it is damaging to self-esteem.

8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon

Who is claiming this? O.o...

All three of the Abrahamic religions are hateful to some extent. And Eastern religions, i.e. Shinto, Buddhism, may not be A-OK (is any religion?), but they're certainly better than the Abrahamic ones. And any religion is open to criticism for certain tenets/beliefs.

10. Owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'.

Who is saying this? And what the fuck's a "bibi" gun? Don't you mean BB?

old comment by SeekerLancer

1. I'm not going to be as apologetic as some of the other posters. I women has the rights to her own reproductive organs and a fetus is not a person. It's a surgical procedure that should be used as a last resort but on moral grounds I see no issue.
2. Pretty sure the president and most of our government is still opposed to gay marriage though the courts are correctly deciding that people are entitled to their rights.
3. I agree the immigration system is broken but I doubt I think it's broken in the same way that you do.
4. What you do on your own time is your own business. The main reason these drugs are associated with violence is because they've been made illegal. Also throwing a person with a drug problem into prison instead of getting them help doesn't solve anything.
5. If you mean prejudice like what you're doing right now then yes.
6. No it's not, but having 1% of the countries wealth and giving a middle finger to the other 99% is. And buying gold is stupid. If the economy collapses you'll get much better use out of food and gasoline. You can't eat gold. It's a shiny rock.
7. Agreed. I hate those "everybody wins!" little kids sports things.
8. No it's not.
9. The big three Abrahamic religions pretty much cornered the market on hate. That includes Islam so sorry.
10. Nobody is after YOUR guns. Why is it so frowned upon to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who would do serious harm with them? I just don't understand.

old comment by M

...Wot?

1. No, actually. Abortion is rarely, if ever, portrayed as a good thing in fiction. Hell, it's barely ever even mentioned. My favorite TV show mentions abortion exactly twice, and once it was part of the backstory of a much loved character -- and it was mentioned she got kicked out of her church for it.

2. Err, why is this a problem?

3. I don't have any knowledge as to this. However, one always has the option of protesting a law they see as unjust through civil disobedience...

4. Please forgive the pun, but what are you smoking?

5. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Besides, Law & Order and it's subsequent spinoff would like a word with you. As well as the People's Court and Judge Judy, among others.

6. Umm, what?

7. I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Competition is the essence of conflict. Conflict is the essence of drama and comedy. Hollywood, therefore, likes competition.

8. I don't even...

9. If Islam is the only "Eastern" religion you can name, you Fail Religion Forever. Also, I'm pretty sure all religions have been mocked by now, so stop feeling persecuted.

10. I watch TV shows about FBI agents. Who have guns. And use them. The show has never run a "guns are bad" Aesop in any episode out of six seasons on air.

So, well, yeah. What media/Hollywood/TV/etc. are you watching?

old comment by Elia

1. Yes, so long as it's not used as a regular form of birth control.
2. Well, duh! Where have you been?
3. Better check the mirror, pal. Your ilk are notorious for cherry-picking the Bibble.
4. Look, if you legalize something, it's no longer out there with the other, sometimes more dangerous stuff that earns pot the "gateway drug" moniker. Make it legal, regulate it, and people will be too stoned or high to care about coke and whatever.
5. To an extent. Sadly, your kind judge harshly on a regular basis, so why bother talking?
6. Being rich is bad if you're like Scrooge.
7. I'll give you half a point for this. I don't understand why some are so bent on getting rid of competition, be it in school or among corporations.
8. Where the fuck do you live? Where I work, not only do kids get graded, their report cards will have comments from the teachers written on them. I don't recall any public schools in my area doing anything different.
9. Well, it's not like people like you do much to change that. I've also seen plenty of news articles condemning honor killings. I don't know why you're lumping Taoism and Shinto in along with Islam.
10. Again, where the fuck do you live?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Those currently in the political (GOP) sphere, the media (Faux News) sphere, the 'fundie' sphere, are currently the ones with the means and voice to name the tune.

Their current top ten 'tunes' are:

1. Abortion isn't ok
2. Gay marriage isn't ok - Both Genders: Living together without benefit of marriage isn't ok
3. The Bible can be cherry picked on which laws to follow, i.e. homosexuality is an abomination; laws promoting tolerance of LGBT people not to be followed or else you are a liberal anti-religion bigot naughty pants and no soup for you! Unless your name is Ted Faggard, then it's okay.
4. Using drugs is sort of ok, as long as it's 'only' crystal meth or other 'recreational drugs'. Just ask Ted Faggard.
5. Judging is bad - unless it's gays, liberals, Obama or generally anyone not exactly like you.
6. Being rich and successful is good (there's currently a lot of preachers that have accepted a challenge to give ALL of their wealth away to charity! But they don't. Because Conservative Jesus says it's bad).
7. Competition is frowned upon. Everyone gets a trophy. Self-esteem at all costs. Just ask Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart et al.
8. Grading papers or putting grades on report cards is frowned upon. It makes the poor 'hoemskuled' kids feel bad and inferior to those kids who suffer under nasty 'state' education, who ultimately get all the best jobs.
9. Non-Christian and Non-Jewish religions are 'hateful'. Islam/moslem/other Eastern religions aren't A-OK and are to be judged for any of their tenets or beliefs, no matter what, despite the REligious Right's own track record of raping, wife beating, etc.
10. Not owning any kind of firearm, even your grandaddy's air pump bibi gun, is reason enough to be 'kicked off the island'. Despite what it says in the Ten Commandmemts.

No fundie wants to be kicked off the island, laughed at, banished, looked down upon, or ignored. so following the above 'rules' allows one admittance to a plethora of 'different clubs'.

fixed

old comment by JimBrown257

The Conservative counterpart:

1) Murder is NEVER okay; NO EXCEPTIONS!! (unless you are in the army or standing your ground)

2) You can marry as many people as you want, just one at a time.

3) Certain parts of Leviticus are written in stone, others don't matter. It's up to you to decide which.

4) Using drugs is okay so long as you get them at the pharmacy.

5) If you ever hear a phrase with something about "casting the first stone", ignore it. It is irrelevant and God wants you to judge others.

6) Jesus spoketh: "It is easy for a rich man to enter heaven while seated comfortably on the back of a camel. Buyeth low and Selleth ye high."

7) Jesus most certainly does not love everyone!

8) If you pass high school biology, forget running for higher office.

9) Non-Christian religions are 'hateful'. Christianity is A-OK no matter what.

10) Oh, for fuck's sake... a "bibi gun"? This asshole really wrote that??

old comment by Fräulein

derpLinder,

1. Ja.
2. Certe.
3. That's why laws get changed, if there is a moral problem with an immigration law it goes through the appropriate governmental systems.
"naughty pants"
I prefer my pants naughty, especially other people's pants.
4. That's a complex issue which I don't agree with either you or the drug enthusiasts on.
5. "Judge not lest ye be judged." Unless you mean judging in courts, which is usually good.
6. No one should have money they don't ever use, so instead of buying extra Lamborghinis why not donate?
Also, gold is cool, especially white gold. I want a gold coin.
7. No, you're just mad because I beat you at whatever game.
9. I like Judaism and Christianity more than I like Islam. Islam doesn't seem to have as much cool parables or mystical stuff where you can go like "Far out man!" after you read them. As for the actual people, I'm a little misanthropic but most Jews and some Christian sects seem to be on average within the top 10% of cool people. I don't know enough about Muslim sects since most Muslims aren't as open about their religion.
Islam and "moslem" are the same thing.
If you mean "liberals" love all Eastern religions, I would not ever be a Hindu. I respect them, but it goes against my lifestyle of being Western. Buddhism is kind of cool.

-Real life socialist

old comment by GigaGuess

1.) Abortion is, at best, a necessary evil. here are times where a woman cannot carry a child to term, financially, emotionally or physically. Not to mention a woman shouldn't be forced to carry an unwanted child to term at all. Furthermore, if a woman wants an abortion, she will get one. So the choice is whether it'll be in an alley with a coathanger or a survivably toxic plant, or in a safe, sterile operating room.
2.) First, you kinda want it both ways here. Gays marrying is bad, but living in sin is bad too. Hmm, hmm, hmm... Seriously though, who a person marries, if anyone at all, is not your business. The fact that it is completely, totally and UTTERLY irrelevant.
3.) No, I feel a person should have to apply for immigration legally, however, rounding people up and dumping them at the border solves nothing. Perhaps offering them a chance to apply legally before you cart them over to be target practice for the Watchmen? Not to mention, do we really want to chat about people paying illegals a pittance with threats of INS to keep them in line...?
4.) Okay, here's the thing. Shaming people and criminalizing drugs solves nothing and just gives a person unnecessarily hard time in their day to day life. If you legalize, at least the soft drugs, not only can you regulate what is in it rather than getting a crap shoot in any baggie, YOU CAN TAX IT. Some more income for your country's coffers!
5.) Because slinging judgments and tut-tutting at people as you walk past is so productive. Not to mention, aren't Christians supposed to be all about loving your fellow man? Kinda flies in the face of that...
6.) No, but being rich does bring a certain civil responsibility. The fact that there are billionaires doing that is highly commendable.
7.) Actually, this is one I agree on. Self-Esteem is a good thing, and shunning someone who falls short isn't cool, but having a competition, and stripping a winner of anything he got from winning is just as bad. You can make a...for lack of a better term at the moment..."loser" feel good without robbing a winner of his win.
8.) Okay, who says this? The whole point of school is to learn. To learn you have to know. Grading gauges what you do and do not know.
9.) No, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, at least in modern forms aren't inherently hateful. The FANATICS of each on the other hand. And if all of Islam has to answer for Honor Killings, we need to have a chat about abortion clinic bombing and Matthew Shepard.
10.) Okay, BB Gun is silly, and I'm even fine with rifles. Handguns are iffy at best for me as I see no need for them. But FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLES ARE NOT NEEDED. NO CIVILIAN NEEDS TO HAVE A GUN DESIGNED TO MOW DOWN A CROWD IN A FEW SECONDS. THOSE GUNS ARE DESIGNED TO CREATE AS MANY CASUALTIES AS POSSIBLE IN AS SHORT OF A TIME AS POSSIBLE, THIS IS A FACT. There is a difference between Grampy's old rifle for deer hunting and a goddamn KALISHNIKOV!

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