ikester7579 #fundie

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When adding evolution to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.

1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?

2) If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.

3) Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?

4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?

5) Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com

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old comment by Jimmy

When adding Hell to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.

1) If Hell goes so well with God, why did He kill His own son to prevent people from going there?

2) If Hell goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.

3) Hell should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?

4) Christians argue that God is love. But yet will accept someone who mixes God and Hell as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can an evil subject be combined with a good one and work without turning God into 'hate'?

5) Hell and God working together should not promote hateful people like the Phelps.

old comment by Caustic Gnostic

1. Darwin recognized that the bible could not be reconciled with the concept of human evolution.

2. Spinoza's God fits quite well. It tends to encourage the people on the fence to lose their bibles.

3. Adaptation, not salvation. Evolution explains important life processes, but does not deal with any speculative afterlife.

4. Every scientist is free to speculate, on a philosophic level, concerning deities, supernatural postmortem events, etc. They can even be members of a congregation. But scientists do not, have never, and will never, incorporate any supernatural notion as a factor in any theory. It simply ceases to be science when that happens.

5. Science versus religion is like...cash money in hand versus an IOU. You diss rock-solid reality at your own risk...may I call you fatuous at this point, ikester7579?

old comment by Lithp

1) The fuck are you talking about?

2) People are losing their faith because their faith doesn't accept something they think makes logical sense, maybe?

3) You can't use it as a tool if you refuse to endorse it at all. As much as I fear giving Fundies advice to use the principal of natural selection....

4) It. Is. Not. And you're under the assumption that non-religious means anti-religious, when in fact it means not pertaining to religion.

5) FSTDT.com isn't a "God hate site." Any hatred we have is reserved for assholes who promote rape, murder, racism, & just generally being an ignorant dumbass. Just because they use God to justify what they do does not mean they speak for him/her/it/they, & ergo, our insults are not aimed at said deity/deities. A lot of people who go here believe in God, & a lot don't. I don't think you'll find many here who truly "hate" God.

Hell, I don't even hate you. You're a Hell of a lot better than a rape apologist Fundie, albeit a little dense.

old comment by JasoNF

Evolution was discovered, not "added".

No one "added" the fossil record or DNA evidence. They were there the whole time we've been here, like puzzle pieces in the ground and in our cells. (Fundies insist that the pieces match the picture on the box that their ancestors drew, and refuse to participate with the rest of us putting together the pieces and seeing the pic for what it really is.)

1) Darwin lost his faith as much over the death of his daughter as evolution. A good god and the shitty things happening to little children were irreconcilable to him.

The rest is garbage. Evolution completely discredits Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. However, the presence of a spherical Earth, sperm being produced in the Testes, Jesus not coming back within the lifetime of his disciples, and True Christians not being miraculously immune to poison (Mark 16:15-19) also discredits these religions, so I don't know why they single out Darwin so much.

old comment by NonProphet

1) Didn't Darwin's lack of faith hit AFTER he wrote "On the Origin of Species"? And I do believe that his faith crisis occurred because of his daughter's death.

2) I have never heard of anyone losing their faith due to evolution. I have heard of people losing faith in fundie-style biblical literalism, but never the entirety of their religion. See Sandman and Sophie for examples.

3) Evolution no more needs to be used as a 'salvation tool' than do geometry or gravity. The idea that anything that is compatible with Christians must draw people to Christianity is ludicrous.

4) Can one be both religious and a computer tech? Can one defend Christianity and still be a computer technician? Or does it make computer science a religion?
Again, your fallacy lies in the idea that the only things compatible with Christianity must be Christian in nature.

5) FSTDT.com is not a hate site of any sort. In fact, some of the most prestigious regulars are Christian. Add that to the fact that secular fundies are quoted as well, and we see that you're making things up again.

old comment by John

Ikester is confusing God with the Bible, a book written by a bunch of bronze age Arab goat-herders. A god who created life by evolution would be far superior to one who had to make each animal from scratch and provided no method for adjusting to changing circumstances. As Thomas Acquinas said "The potency of a cause is the greater, the more remote the effects to which it extends."

FSTDT isn't a "god hate" site. Many posters are atheists. They don't believe in God; therefore they don't hate God any more than they hate the Tooth Fairy. Others believe in God, but object to people who use religion to justify bigotry or want to change our laws and schools to make others conform to their beliefs.

old comment by Brian X

1. Darwin recanted nothing. His faith slowly slipped away over the course of his lifetime.

2. People don't lose their faith because of evolution. Inasmuch as evolution is involved, they lose it because they study the facts and realize that what they're being told in church about evolution isn't true.

3. Because nothing is ever neutral in Christianland. "Whatever you do, whether in word or in deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." Colossians 3:17 -- had to memorize it in high school. Fundies like that verse because it gives them an excuse to avoid thinking about anything that doesn't have anything to do with God.

3. No, in an ideal world it has no bearing on faith at all. But among Biblical inerrantists, it has a knack for pulling people away from faith.

4. Stephen Jay Gould would think so. There are a lot of people who don't like the concept of non-overlapping magisteria, but it's as close as one can come to a compromise while still remaining intellectually honest.

5. No, we promote it ourselves. Free will and all. DarwinAwards.com is pretty cool too, and more or less in the same vein but with more schadenfreude.

old comment by xyz

> If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?
He didn't. His faith dimmed long before he formulated his theory.
Note that he never explicitly recanted his faith. He was agnostic; the idea of a God that allowed suffering to exist bothered him.

> If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.
No, evolution is science. Do not mix science and religion.
Evolution never brings people closer nor pushes then further from God. Unless, of course, you were lied to all your life and told evolution is fake and all "evolutionists" are atheists.

> Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?
Like I said before, don't mix science and religion. Evolution is not a tool for religion.

> Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?
???
English please.
Evolution is science, not religion. Please consult the dictionary on the definition of religion.

> Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com
FSTDT is not a hate site. The users here do not agree with the hateful quotes listed here; we just archive them. Hence the "Fundies Say the Darndest Things".

“When adding evolution to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.”
Meh. I don’t believe in any gods, i don’t believe reality is a creation. Evolution, on the other hand, is a science with evidence for it.
But other than discounting your complete premise, do go on.

“1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory?"
Nothing to do with his theory. He couldn’t justify a powerful, benevolent god with all the pain and suffering he saw in the world.

“Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?”
Easily. High school students know more about DNA than Darwin ever did.

“2) If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.”
Anyone who loses their faith due to accepting science was already intent on losing their faith. Science is neutral on the supernatural.

“3) Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God.”
I don’t believe in salvation, either. Do wahtever you want with that bullshit.

“The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?”
Ah. If science were accurate, it would fit into my superstition. If it doesn’t, it’s the science that’s wrong?
I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith, here.

“4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion.”
Only because it doesn’t meet any rational definition of a religion.

“But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own.”
If they understand the science, they can also believe in any superstition they want. Sure.

“And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?”
Are there any electric lights in your church? They’re not in the bible.

“5) Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com”
Evolution doesn’t drive FSTDT. And we don’t hate god. Some of us are believers.
We DO dislike idiots. If you feel persecuted by FSTDT, you might want to get a beta reader for your posts.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

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