[On why agreement between Christian groups is bad, and why Billy Graham has fallen from Bro Randy's good graces]
Keep in mind that Baptists are NOT Protestants. We never "protested" and "reformed" like the other religions and denominations. We have been in existense since Jesus established us during His earthly ministry. All other groupd are man-made.
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Let's see... Baptist as a denomination never appeared until well after Martin Luther posted his rant on the cathedral door... Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian... and one of his apostles was (supposedly) the first Pope.
Yep, that all seems to agree with what you just said. Also, the ocean is filled with birds and the sky is green.
I agree wholeheartedly, Baptists are not Protestants, they are not even a religion. Anyone who has studied their last few Southern Baptist Conventions knows that they are now a political party. Very little is said about God or Jesus or heaven anymore. All their statements are now demands of the government to follow their agenda. I wish that this was a joke.
Bullshit, Debbie, bullshit.
If you Baptists were truly so closely connected to Jesus, you wouldn't have had any need for the Pauline travesty and the Nicene tragedy: you would have had DECENT SCRIPTURE.
But no, since you all mushed the catholic bible into your brains, you carry the same taint-albeit with a strange spin.
Oh Lordy. Somebody doesn't know her church history.
Look, Jesus didn't establish a particular denomination. He established his CHURCH. That means that you, as a Baptist, are no more holy in God's eyes (IMO) than someone who calls themselves a Methodist or a plain ol' non-denominational Christian. In fact, I'm actually pretty sure Paul preaches against denominations in one of his epistles. Of course, Bro. Randy doesn't seem to be too familiar with Scripture, so it stands to reason that most of the elders on this site wouldn't be either.
Mrs. Debbie belongs to a branch of super-fundie Baptists who have a whole self-invented myth about the origin of their religion. No one believes it but them. It's called Baptist successionism . Basically, they claim as ancestors any group that believed in adult-only baptism, a practice that can be found dating from the earliest days of Christianity. The connection with such groups exists only in their minds, however, since most such groups also held other beliefs (besides adult baptism) that would make Mrs. Debbie's hair curl in disgust.
From my Gnostic perspective, I can make the argument that Jesus wished to liberate his people from religion. He did not plan or design any of the religions that carry his name.
I am on the verge of proclaiming that Jesus actually was a deist-humanist-spiritualist.
When Jesus spoke of a necessary understanding of the individual's soul, mind, and spirit [in the same verse], I get the idea that he had a much higher level of sophistication than 'mainstream' scripture gives him credit for.
Gnostic scripture reveals his human character and wisdom, whereas 'canonical' scripture has diluted or corrupted damn near everything he had to say.
So, imho, Jesus was a Jina, on the same order as Mencius, Socrates, Laotse, and latterly, people like Rene Descartes and Jiddu Krishnamurti.
Bible zombies are stuck on stupid. Oh well.
@Rehab - I've noticed that double-posts can happen when you submit and the page times out without verifying that the submit worked, so you submit again. Most of the time, if the page times out, the submit seems to take anyway.
Lots of denominations claim to be the One True Church, founded in the year 33 by Christ Himself, from which every other church is in apostasy. How are you the One True One True Church?
Oh that's right. The Bible never mentions John the Episcopalian, John the Methodist, etc.
HAHAHAHA. Right.
Well, I guess you wouldn't know anything about the history of your own church, since your husband doesn't let you read anything but the Bible and your father never let you go to college.
If these people can't even get the last few hundred years of history right, then its no wonder that they don't understand the last few million when it comes to evolution.
"Oh that's right. The Bible never mentions John the Episcopalian, John the Methodist, etc."
Love it xD
@ Esjeur:
I think the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and the Assyrian Church of the East may predate the Coptic Church, but I might be wrong. Regardless, the Baptist Church as we know it today doesn't go back that far. It began in the British Colonies in the 17th century.
So, the Catholic church in the first century was a fake?, they did a good job until, misteriously, you reappeared in the sixteenth century?
Matilde:
The Catholic church as such didn't exist until Constantine. Which is not to say that there weren't other sects, but Catholicism came about by trying to standardize the many strands of Pauline belief.
As for the Baptists... I'm not aware of any Baptist churches that embrace a radically collectivist lifestyle like the pre-Pauline church in Acts, so I'm thinking Mrs. Debbie might be wrong there.
Wasn't Christianity started by a man, eejit?!? Besides, Protestants protested 'gainst the Catholic chruch around the sixteenth century....not against Baptists....the Christian church started out as sects, then became only Catholic, and then the Protestants broke off of the Catholics becoming kind of corrupt and the religion becoming more of a business than anything else...
I guess she's never read up about history...or took a good history class.....Mr.s Debbie comes across to me as a bit of a snob.
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