(In the body of a question titled "Atheist, can you answer this?")
Things in Creation show the universe/we wouldnt b here w/o an Intelligent Designer (ignoring how it came 2 b) such as:
1. We hv 2 lungs/2 kidneys/2 eyes - each has a NEAR PERFECT MIRROR-IMAGE companion organ (not a copy). It CANT B explained away. Making a mirror-image organ takes FULL reverse engineering/knowledge/understanding of its companion's functions/purpose or it cant b created (2 WITNESSES in nature).
2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other - impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).
3. We hv 2 arms/2 legs. Each is perfectly designed/precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the purpose/functions of the organism, 2 create it 2 such perfection.
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What about cows they have two stomachs? What about hermaphroditic animals? The reason we don't have these things and they do, is because our evolution didn't require these.
Bodies may seem symmetrical, but they are not perfect. Some people have one leg that's longer than the other. Same with arms. What about people born missing limbs or with deformed limbs. I guess God didn't love them enough?
I won't even dignify this pile of letters with a response.
(By the way, fstdt; I used to be TheReligiousCommie, but I reverted about 2 weeks ago so I figured I had to change usernames).
Okay, I'm gonna go point by point:
0.) Right off the bat, if you wish to be taken seriously in any manner, don't use txt-spk. You come across as a tard.
1.) Your Liver is the only one you have. Your appendix as well, unless I'm mistaken. And both favor a side.
2.) And what about spotted animals? Sometimes the pattern is symmetrical, sometimes it's not. And if it was intelligent design, why ony "highly" and not "perfectly?"
3.) I can't speak for 2 arms, but 2 legs allows us more mobility and better speed that one would. One legged organisms would likely become something's snack.
One heart, one liver, one pancreas, one prostate, one uterus, one cervix, one brain, all things that can fail/become cancerous...see where I'm going with this???
Harrumph! And some people say that fundies are retards or insane, those people need to seriously re-evaluate their ideas in the wake of this eloquently explained proof. How a professed atheist can read the above sublime, God empowered and inerrant examples of perfect scientific research and dedicated human endeavour, without instantly falling to his or her knees and asking for forgiveness from God and His family, is beyond me.
Sound the trumpets, bang the drums, let all the bells ring, shout your praises to the Heavens, fill the skies with joyous cries and let your tears flow like rivers down the street, for the incredible news, vouchsafed to an awestruck populace by a Mr. S. on behalf of Our Lord above, is being rapturously received planet-wide by the adoring masses. The cry goes out, " Atheism is finished. At last the end of unbelief."
Ok!! Who's the smart fucker? Who's hidden my sedatives?
One brain with two hemispheres, each with different functions, thus requiring communication between the two halves. One heart, off center. One, well you know. One of each organ in the digestive tract, most off center. Nearly everyone has a dominant side, most are right dominant, thus most things are made for right-handed people- machines, guns, writing desks... It's a remarkable device, but it has so many flaws and inefficiencies almost no engineer would design one that way him/herself.
Symmetry is the NORM in nature. Down to molecules and unliving formations.
1 lung is smaller than the other, otherwise your heart would stick out or be in the middle, Pancreas: one side. Appendix: one side. They're the "variations", ever here of these? Evolution can explain these things to you, also how one of those "near Perfect" items fail in a notable percentage of humanity and nature
WTF?
We are NOT a mirror-image, much less perfect.
Do read up on patterning genes, ok?
You are a moron, Mr. S.
Let's see if I can decipher this.
1. We hv 2 lungs/2 kidneys/2 eyes - each has a NEAR PERFECT MIRROR-IMAGE companion organ (not a copy). It CANT B explained away. Making a mirror-image organ takes FULL reverse engineering/knowledge/understanding of its companion's functions/purpose or it cant b created (2 WITNESSES in nature).
We also have five fingers on each hand! And five toes! OMG! And spiders have anywhere between 2-8 eyes! Does that mean God loves them more?
2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other - impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).
Or a DNA blueprint...
3. We hv 2 arms/2 legs. Each is perfectly designed/precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the purpose/functions of the organism, 2 create it 2 such perfection.
Perfectly? Then why do my knees sometimes meet when I'm walking and cause me to fall?
When symmetry occurs in nature, math proves the existence of god.
I must say, which is it?
Whichever it is, examples like this one bring a good chuckle from every comment. Who needs comedy when you have fstdt?
I give up. You can't have produced grammar that bad without the help of some evil deity...
...oh, silly me, it's Yahoo Answers.
I guess it never occurred to Mr S that symmetrical bodies are much better at running etc, two eyes give depth perception, two ears give directional hearing and all of these advantages can be acted upon by natural selection.
My guess is that this is because Mr S is about 12 and his only information on evolution came from his youth pastor.
So he's basically trying to say something like "designing a human would be difficult, so we must have been designed by god"?
These people honestly could use some introductory drilling in logic and common sense, with cane beatings and electric shocks unless they can recite De Morgan's laws and basic principles of validity and entailment in their sleep if all else fails. There's got to be a limit to cerebral dysfunctionality.
2 b?
Your concept of language is definitely not perfectly designed. That text makes my eyes and my brain hurt.
Having two of something can be an evolutionary advantage over having just one. If one of the two is destroyed, you still have one.
The face is certainly not a perfect mirror image. Have you never did the experiment with the mirror and half a photo?
It's no wonder the body works fine, Nature has had hundreds of millions of years to focus on what works, and discard what doesn't.
What is the purpose of our "perfectly designed" tail bone, apendix and our switched-off Vitamin-C production?
Symmetry is not a form of "intelligence". Some organs are duplicated just because they deal with vital functions, nothing more. In fact, now that you mention anatomy, explain the appendix, for example. Why should we keep that fossile that only serves to..............well, to infect and cause us a problem?
Apparent symmetry doesn't prove design any more than finding an asymmetrical organ (like say, the liver) would disprove design. Each of your examples (from the lungs to the legs) can be shown in some way to enable our species to better survive it's environment - the "goal" (for lack of a better term) of evolution.
"2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other - impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns)."
If there's an intelligent designer, why not make it fully symmetrical? On the other hand, snowflakes may look complex, but they're not formed by the hands of tiny angels.
"3. We hv 2 arms/2 legs. Each is perfectly designed/precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the purpose/functions of the organism, 2 create it 2 such perfection."
Any orthopedist can tell you that the knee is an exceptionally shoddy design. Also, plenty of children are born without fully developed limbs or fingers and toes. Who "intelligently designed" them?
"2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other - impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism"
Or if there are chemical gradients that influence the homeobox genes.
We have two tonsils, too. Two lovely little symmetrical organs that catch every piece of particulate crap we eat or breathe - and hold onto it, thereby increasing the probability of illness.
Bonus: stinky tonsil stones, which are a byproduct of the aforementioned particulate crap.
Yes indeedy...what a brilliant and flawless design. I feel so blessed.
hv, b, 2, and r are not words. Oh wait, it's just Yahoo Answers. I couldn't take this argument seriously even if you did type it out correctly without all the textspeak. Having two of the same organs does not prove intelligent design, but does provide evidence that those animals which evolved to have redundant organs are more likely to survive.
1.) Yet we have one heart, one brain, one womb, one stomach, one pancreas, one nose, one torso, one penis, one spine, yadda yadda yadda
2.) So what you're saying is that without god, one side of the body would look one way and the other side would be completely different rendering it inefficient to continue life and die away? Gee, why does that sound like a natural progression of life?
3.)And why do other successful organisms have more or less than two arms and two legs?
One, you come off as retarded with your net speak, why can't you type full words, like you're going to lose a half second if you type the full word 'you'? Two, you definitely don't think things through after reading your reply, or else you'd be questioning why such things are a "sure proof of a divine creator"
Read a bloody Biology 101 book, it will explain bilateral (and radical) symmetry very well! Plus you'll also learn that the body isn't perfectly symmetrical internally, the stomach is on the upper left of the abdominal cavity and the heart is slightly to the left of center in the chest.
Then take a English class at your local community college, though maybe you should regress to middle school if you spell "have as "hv" and only "b" for "be".
So why don't we have two hearts, like a Time Lord? Or two brains, like Dr. Hfuhruhurr, or Zaphod Beeblebrox? Or two spinal columns, like Klingons (and many other redundant spares in their physiology)?
And if we males have two bollocks, why don't we have two dicks? And why don't women have three breasts, like that woman in "Total Recall"?
And if you have two cerebral hemispheres, Mr. S, why do you spell like someone whose age is still in single figures?
If you're a Creationist, why can't you answer this? Or the fact that if we're supposedly 'designed', said designer completely botched the job. Finally, Four Words: Kitzmiller versus Dover, bitch.
@breakerslion
"y do gorillas haz big nostrils?"
Or catz has cheezburgers?
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Well, you might have 2 eyes, 2 kidneys, and 2 arms and legs, but that's counterbalanced by you only having half of a brain.
Seriously having such a weak spot with a single heart isn't a good factor, could have taken a couple of lymph nodes out and put in a single valve pump to help the process and I'm sure if we took the human body we can find some place to cram more stuff in, put 2 more kidneys near the place where donar Kidneys are put in. Or an extra liver.
We are not symmetrical. I have a birth mark on one side and not the other. One of my feet is bigger than the other. One of my ears is pointier than the other.
And then there are the numerous birth defects that happen.
So, for the last time, we are NOT perfect!
One could make the same argument if we had 4 legs, three arms and a half dozen kidneys.
P.S. You write like a retard.
Okay . . . so bilateral symmetry shows that we're perfectly designed and Goddidit! Just ignoring all the flaws in that premise there, if symmetry is proof of God, what about creatures with radial symmetry? That's symmetrical in more than two ways -- so are starfish and sea anemones actually God's perfect creations? In terms of symmetry we've got nothing on sea anemones.
"NEAR PERFECT"
If it's 'nearly perfect', then the human body isn't wholly perfect. And aren't we humans supposed to be the ultimate creation of a perfect 'designer' - i.e. 'God'?
You've just admitted that, since we humans aren't completely perfect in design, then said 'designer' isn't perfect. Which means 'God' himself is flawed. Thus he's fallible, imperfect - and not 'omnipotent'. Therefore he's not 'God', and a contradiction to himself. Ergo, he doesn't exist. QED.
Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. S. Oh, and don't forget, after Kitzmiller vs. Dover, an 'Intelligent Designer' - and therefore a 'God' - didn't 'design' (i.e. 'Create') this universe, this world, and all the life on it. Including we humans.
The law says so.
First, I had to translate this to English, because I don't read stupid. Second, has this person never heard of evolution? It's totally possible that in the millions of years it took organisms to survive, at least one baby was born with matching kidneys, and then had some more kids with matching kidneys.
It's called biological redundancy. If animals only had one eye, and that eye was injured, that's it. Blindness. Two eyes, there's a backup if one gets damaged.
It's called bilateral symmetry, you simpering moron. It's an expression of the complex fractal patterns that govern our development, regulated by DNA through well-understood mechanisms that can be traced back first to radially symmetrical organisms, then further to the initial colonial organisms with specialized parts, arranged in fractal patterns based on specialty, purpose, and... yup, the need to form regulated, even pathways for the sake of the colony. Science. You don't speak it. Stop trying. Just go back to your idiotic little book and leave the rest of the civilized world to its own devices. We'll get back to you if we ever need an atavistic specimen to study.
1- We're not Gallifeyans (such as The Doctor): they have two hearts.
2- We're not Klingons, who have many redundant/backup organs (such as Worf, re. the operation to transplant a spinal cord in him, in "ST:TNG").
3- Kitzmiller vs. Dover says otherwise. And Romans 13: 1-5 says you can't disagree with the law.
...that sufficient for you, Mr. S(hit-for-brains)?
A question for you & your YEC ilk: If we were 'created' with this symmetry, re body parts, why do you fundies only have one brain cell? [i[Between all of you
Dr. Hfuhruhurr (Steve Martin) has two brains.
we're probably symmetrical because it helps with keeping balance.
there. explained it away, dumb bitch.
oh and by the way, we're not perfect :3
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