We lost my father-in-law nearly 2 years ago to cancer. He did not believe. He heard the gospel, but chose to reject it. As far as human standards go, he was a "good" man. He was a truck driver most of his life. He helped hundreds and hundreds of stranded motorists (especially in the days before cell phones), paid for meals for the hungry and cold, would literally give a stranger the shirt off his back to keep them a little bit warmer, etc. You could call him in the middle of the night because you needed to talk. He NEVER complained about working, helping, or anything. I am SO blessed to have known him. However, he made his choice concerning his eternity. About an hour before he passed away, my husband "preached the gospel" to him one last time (the first time he had done that as he was a new believer himself). He was pretty incoherent and nodded that he understood and nodded that he wanted to believe Jesus died for our sins (it's not too late until you've taken your last breath from what I understand). We are not sure if he was coherent enough to "get it" or not. At that point, he was nodding at everything we said. Right now, I take comfort he was. We won't know until we get to Heaven. Salvation comes from believing Jesus died for our sins, not our works. However, that doesn't give us a free ride. We still need to do good works.
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These people need to make up their minds. They say serial killers get into heaven if they believe Jesus 'died for our sins.' So what do good works matter, really, if you can run around killing people and still go to heaven?
I feel quite bad for anyone who is on their deathbed and all they're hearing is 'accept Jesus!' No kind words of love or comfort or anything? Nice.
Such a good bloke and you two sit there preaching at him as he takes his last breathes! That's really nice isn't it.
Have you thought that that he was nodding in an attempt to get you to shut up so that he could actually spend his last hour in peace?
I'm not going to post anything mean here. I'm an atheist with Christian family so I know how lucky this guy is to be an unbeliever in a Christian family and not end up being disowned by them. I also do think that the people at RR are some of the only Christians who believe there is an afterlife with ever fiber of their being, so I don't see the deathbed preaching as them forcing religion down his throat as it is a sincere effort to save him from an imaginary threat.
eh, i've read some pretty nasty things on this site and this is pretty mild, you guys will just trash anyone who ends up on this site won't you?
What did she say that was so bad?
You know if that was my father I would have a restraining order against you so fast. I got sick of people telling me my Father in Law was in heaven after he died (he was a Buddhist, thought Christianity was just plain silly). That man was more of a father to me than anyone in my family.
My family tried to give me the "he's in heaven now" speech. I just turned it on them to make them feel right miserable. Basically told them that if they're right a good man is now being tortured in hell for not following their fairytale. They actually thought I was the one being offensive.
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Don't worry, he's smiling at you right now. Think of this : right up to the moment where he died, he was forced to listen to your neurotic babbling. He's just GOTTA get to heaven now. Or else, as Berny pointed out, this would not be any sane person's definition of 'a loving God'.
God to a murderer: Killed a guy huh? Oh well just believe in me and you go to heaven.
God to a non-believing good person: Gave your life to save a baby in a house fire? WHO CARES GO TO HELL NONBELIEVER
*Cue Fire/Brimstone etc.*
@ Johnthechristian
Attempts at deathbed-conversions are seriously pathetic and extremely offensive... it's the same idea as latching onto someone with serious body-image problems and saying you've got some magical cure for them.
In other words, only a fucking vulture would try it. That's what's so bad.
Oh, and if you still don't get it, how about if someone tried to convert your father to Islam on his deathbed?
So, you can be the kindest, most selfless person in the world, but if you don't bow down and worship him, Yahweh will cast you into a lake of fire for all eternity?
Your god is an asshole.
About an hour before he passed away, my husband "preached the gospel" to him one last time
Ever since I started frequenting this site, I always think "preaching the gospel" is an euphemism for "stealing your valuables", as in 'If you don't lock your car, someone might come and "preach the gospel" to it' or 'Kent Hovind got sent to jail for "preaching the gospel"'.
Not going to comment on the essence of the post. I've seen far worse.
Legacy's brother-in-law sounds a lot like the Good Samaritan.
Of course, according to Christian theology the Good Samaritan is currently burning in hell too.
You are just disgusting. To take a dying man and disrupt his last hours on this earth pushing your agenda on him...when you for an absolute fact your religious obsession does not interest him...is lower than a snake's belly.
If your god sends a good man to hell because he chooses to not believe, but takes serial rapists and murderers to his side because they do, then your god and his followers are not worthy of the smallest modicum of respect, let alone worship.
Disgusting...absolutely disgusting, all of you soul vampires.
A kind, considerate man is dying of a horrible disease and all his ungrateful family can do in his last minutes is wax lyrical about a dead Nazarene on a stick, and then they say after he's gone that they were "so blessed to have him" (as if his goodness was all God's doing and not of his own volition). In the end, this woman cared for her damn imaginary friend more than her father.
Ugh. Call me cynical but this is epitome of of why I can't stand fundies.
You fundies. You all think everyone repents on their deathbed, even when the evidence of the opposite is right in front of you.
And, that is a huge part of why people choose not to believe in god. If doing things only for god is what gets you saved, that's a pretty damn selfish way to live. It is much more rewarding, in this life and in most minds, to care for others and do good for this world, right here and right now.
Do you really think that honoring a god that is that selfish is the way to live one's life? Fortunately, not everyone agrees with you. And, I'm sure that if there is a god, your father-in-law is in a place of honor, while you'll rot with all the others who chose not to use the god given gift of using your fucking brain.
So your father-in-law did the ind of things Jesus told us to do, but his salvation was in question because he didn't say the magic words.
And fundamentalists wonder why people don't respect them.
If salvation comes from believing in Jesus died for our sins, what is the point of living anyway?. In the meanwhile, you can be a good person. At least, you´ll be loved.
And this is why the transition between death and life can be troublesome: If it's not pain or mental deterioration bothering you, there's probably shitwits like this lurking in the wings.
Seriously, if they would get offended at someone trying to convert them to, I don't know, Hinduism or Judaism on their deathbeds, what makes what they did any different?
A decade or so ago, I developed a tumour on my rectal wall.
I didn't 'beLIE ve'. Then - as today - I was an Atheist.
That tumour turned out to be benign (but I still had the operation to remove it). Question: Why ? (check one):
[ ] Your 'God' favours Atheists. Fundies like you still get - and die of - malignant cancers.
[ ] 'Tis the pure biological luck of the draw, and your 'God' doesn't exist.
Choose wisely.
The anaesthetist at said operation? Although it was his first one after gaining the relevant degree, the surgeon said that he - as an assistant - couldn't have done a better job in making my operation as painless as possible, and it was textbook. That anaesthetist - who is now my physician - is a Sufi Muslim. Good Works indeed. [/hyper-paradox]
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