Janice_Spokes #fundie

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[Without legal abortion, illegal abortion would come back with all the horrors that brought.]

Can you give me some statistics on illegal abortions? I understand the whole "coathanger thing" was a myth.

Look at the countries where abortion is illegal. how many illegal abortions are there?

Also, if there were some risk to the mom's life in kiling her baby (whether through infection or whatever) it might make her wise up, and think ( in a selfish way of course) "I don't wanna die/get injured.. Id better bear and love this baby as my lord asks me to!"

Also, with all these women getting abortions.... Have they never heard of adoption??

Another thing.... whenever someone argues for protecting the unborn someone always brings up the example of "well what about some teenager who is raped?"

I think it should be allowed in that instance and think its a hideous circumstance. But let's be realistic. Far and away most of the time women seeking abortions aren't doing it because of that. Why don't liberals admit, that very often, perhaps even most of the time it is women who conceived after they forgot to take the pill, after the condom broke, or for some other reason, that they were unable to escape the consequences of their "screw everyone but me" hard partying life style?

Half the single mothers are such because of a simple lack of self control. Anyway, should we really encourage such a "consequence free" lifestyle? Instead of our politicians caving into this spirit, they should have the courage to say "You brought this burden on yourself. You bear it."

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old comment by Malingspann

Janice_Spokes: "Whenever someone argues for protecting the unborn someone always brings up the example of "well, what about some teenager who is raped?" I think it should be allowed in that instance and think its a hideous circumstance. But let's be realistic. Far and away most of the time women seeking abortions aren't doing it because of that. Why don't liberals admit, that very often, perhaps even most of the time it is women who conceived after CONSENSUAL sex! If she's not married, it shouldn't be allowed in that instance because that's whoredom; if she IS married, it shouldn't be allowed in that instance because married couples are SUPPOSED to have children! That's what marriage is FOR!!"

old comment by Doubting Thomas

Look at the countries where abortion is illegal. how many illegal abortions are there?

All of them. You know very well that since illegal abortions are illegal, the number of them goes unreported. But don't assume that since they're illegal they don't happen.

Also, if there were some risk to the mom's life in kiling her baby (whether through infection or whatever) it might make her wise up, and think ( in a selfish way of course) "I don't wanna die/get injured.. Id better bear and love this baby as my lord asks me to!"

If a woman is desperate enough to risk death in order to not have another child, then she's not going to stop and worry about what God wants.

Why don't liberals admit, that very often, perhaps even most of the time it is women who conceived after they forgot to take the pill, after the condom broke, or for some other reason, that they were unable to escape the consequences of their "screw everyone but me" hard partying life style?

Why don't conservatives admit, that very often, married women get abortions too?

The thing that annoys me about conservatives is that they always make these judgments about people. If you're poor, you must be a lazy bum looking for a handout. If you're gay, you must be a total pervert. If you're a woman wanting an abortion, it must be because you're a filthy slut who can't keep her legs together.

old comment by Darkevilme

"Have they never heard of adoption?? "

Aren't orphanages in the western world nearly collapsing under the weight of children they're taking care of already?

"that they were unable to escape the consequences of their"

I reject your demand that they accept these consequences. Parenthood must be a conscious decision , that's a human right and more than that it's just a good fucking idea to have them ready and willing for an 18 year endeavour beforehand. Or do you think forcing them into it will make them do BETTER?

but yes. I reject your demand we accept these natural consequences of having sex. The same way I reject the natural consequence of going out at night meaning i'd be eaten by wolves, or the consequence of being over 30 that my own teeth would probably kill me, or the natural consequence that any injury I suffered would get infected and kill me.

We can build a better world. we've built a better world. I don't want to live in yours.

old comment by Musicalbookworm

Rates of abortion remain the same whether or not it is legal. I don't believe in your God, so his desire does not enter into my thought process at all.

Here's the thing. I don't ever want to be pregnant. My birth control failing would not change that. I already have a plan, should abortion become impossible to access. I would start with high doses of vitamin C WITHOUT rose hips the day my period was late. I would hope I could buy RU-486 from Women on Waves, but if I can't I have a whole arsenal of folk abortaficients to try. My last resort would be pennyroyal.

I am a sexual being. I have the same right to my sexuality as any man. You misogynist cave dwellers can all go die in a fire.

old comment by Phil O'Macedon

Victorian society in Great Britain had a stomach turning ability to tolerate grotesque levels of abject poverty without really bothering to do anything about it. That was because it was believed by most that poverty was the result of sin and therefore deserved. Does anybody wanna bet some serious money that this mindset has been eradicated in the xtian culture? And wait a freakin' second. I just heard a xtian radio show say that we all richly deserve hell for our sins. The entire premise of xtianity is declared to be consequence avoidance (redemption), and even if you're a mass murderer, you just have to say the shouldnadonit prayer, and your okay. That's not justice, justice is suspended, if you "belong to the club". If you're a good person who isn't in the club, burn. Look it up.