I do wish that the Herald editorial team would stop presenting Carl Sagan science fiction gibberish dressed up as if it were fact (''The little spacecraft that could'', September 14-15). It occurred over the weekend, when we were fed a far-fetched story about a space vehicle named Voyager and interstellar exploration.
This is the same type of pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo that exploiters of the public purse have been doing with climate change over many years. It is arrant nonsense and has to stop right here and now. The Herald does itself no favours by printing it, pretending that the sci-fi exaggerations are factual.
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Ah, so whenever reality bothers you, you can just call it science fiction. Gotcha.
As much as I fear for life in the decades when climate change has really begun to take its toll on humanity, a small part of me actually wants to see it happen, just to see what impact it has on the discourse. American conservatives have committed pretty heavily to the idea that it's just not going to happen. When it becomes apparent that they were all blatantly lying, liberals will commandeer the political discourse for decades.
The only charitable reading of this is that the writer isn't questioning the fact that Voyager 1 exists, but that the claim of being in interstellar space is an exaggeration. It is a bit like standing knee deep in the beach surf and claiming yourself to be an ocean-going vessel.
That, at least is a debatable point. More likely though, the moon-"hoax" crackpots have simply moved onto a new target.
Twenty years from now, they will claim the Hubble photos were created by NASA satanists, marxists, fluoridators, etc.
@Anon
Your analogy is creative, but I think it could use a bit of a scaling tweak. Knee deep on the surf is a bit too far inland.
Its out there, but it has barely taken one step into interstellar space. But honestly the problem is we keep redefining what that means, personally I don't think we can define it until we have more data on when/where exactly the sun's various particle influences stop.
Go back a century and this guy would say Electricity, manned flight, vaccinations and the railways were a hoax.
Oh yes, Mister. Pray tell us how you sent your message to the world?
The Internet is yet another SciFi hoax.
Ah, an Australian bonehead fundy.
Same shit, different passport.
This is the same type of pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo that exploiters of the public purse have been doing with creationism over many years. It is arrant nonsense and has to stop right here and now. The Herald does itself no favours by printing it, pretending that the sci-fi exaggerations are factual.
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@ Ebon
If something is not up for debate, it's religion, not science.
For example, I had thought the idea that the Earth-Moon system was formed by impact with a Mars-sized body was settled science. Stewart and Cohen describe papers that argue it must have been a very much larger body instead.
It's now more than 17 years since there's been any significant warming at all. (Statistical Significance, capable of being distinguished from zero.) Millenials have spent their entire lives being harangued about Global Warming, despite there being none in their lifetime.
After 5 years of no warming they said 'you need 8 years for a genuine effect.' After 9 years they said 15 years is needed. After 17 years they are saying 30 years of no warming is needed. And its true, if you go back 30 years, you can measure some statistically significant warming- but at a quarter of the rate the models forecast. And that quarter-warming must have been influenced by El Nino Southern Oscillation, land use changes, and aerosol changes, not just CO2. The sun was in an unusually active phase during the period of measured warming, and this has now declined. I can provide references from the peer reviewed literature for all these facts.
There are three papers that missed the IPCC cutoff that argue for a lower Climate Sensitivity than IPCC has been using.
There are strong reasons to believe the net effect of warming will be beneficial.
This doesn't mean there will be no warming, but it does mean there are far more genuine environmental issues right now than warming.
Apropos of SpukiKitty's comment, the president of the Flat Earth Society, Daniel Shenton said that while he “can’t speak for the Society as a whole regarding climate change,” he personally thinks the evidence suggests fossil fuel usage is contributing to global warming.
Good Lord, please be a poe.
....This is a poe, right? RIGHT?!
Wait till he hears that the Curiosity Mars rover has found water.
"astronaut pioneers could extract roughly 2 pints (1 liter) of water out of every cubic foot (0.03 cubic meters) of Martian dirt they dig up, said study lead author Laurie Leshin, of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y."
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I was wondering where the Flat Earthers were on the Voyager thing. Bout time one of them showed up.
That being said, just because you don't understand the science, Bill, doesn't mean it's not happening. I look forward to you attempting to debunk the Earthrise photo. Should be a laugh-riot.
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