[on the man that murdered his son to "save his son's salvation"]
A: You are born. You live till 70. You believe in God. You go to heaven for eternity.
B. You are born. You live till 70. You don't believe in God. You go to hell for eternity.
C. You are born. You die at a young enough age to get a free visa for heaven for eternity.
Now whilst most people would choose A, (assuming God were real), the difference between A and C is really not that much. Eternity is infinite. Adding on 70 lost years of earth life is nothing.
The risk comes with choosing option A. Because you risk it becoming option B. Which is bad apparently.
So, if I could choose, before being born, who I was born to - I would prefer to be born to the 'nutcase' parent who will kill me young, so I couldn't get 'judged' by God and sent to hell.
It's simple really.
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"so... abortions are good now?"
That was EXACTLY my reaction!
Either that or Casey Anthony is now Mother of the Year in Christian circles.
Now there's a new variation of Pascal's wager. But you forgot to add an option D.
D. You are born. Whether you die young or live to 70, there is no heaven. This little bit of time here and now is all you're getting. After you die, game over.
Under those conditions, I think I prefer to make the most of what I have in the here and now.
Yes, it's very simple - you're lying. You could easily put yourself in harms way for a good cause, and when you get killed, instant ticket to whooshland. You don't really believe any of it yourself, do you?
Drax beat me to it.
EDIT: I read more of the original thread. I don't think Mark is the fundie here. He was answering another fundie and trying to ascertain the fundie's position. Read further down. I don't think he personally believes this crap.
"C. You are born. You die at a young enough age to get a free visa for heaven for eternity."
Frankly this has always struck me as a bit of a cop-out. I can see its value in reassuring bereaved parents, but it's not what I'd call philosophically sound. When's the magic cut-off age? And (as has already been pointed out) how does it square with being opposed to abortion? (Or for that matter infanticide, though for the record I'm *not* comparing it with abortion.)
Yeah, he's not the fundie, he's pointing out the flawed, retarded logic that fundies would use to justify the actions of the sick bastard who cut off his son's head thinking he'd give his child an express trip to heaven.
There is no evidence supporting A, B or C. Even your cock&bull Bible doesn't support C.
"I would prefer to be born to the 'nutcase' parent who will kill me young,"
So, are you pro-choice then?
Wow, so you are basically saying that atheism should be outlawed so as to stop nutcases like yourself from killing your children..hmm..yup, thats ALL the atheists fault.
The only thing simple is your mind.
@Lila, love McSorley's, haven't been in a couple of years though, is there still a hundreds years of dust on that chandlier, and are they still serving liverwurst and onions? Yummy!
I may have to make a trip there soon :)
Oh, and, this guy, Mark, he's an idiot.
Sweet Monkey Jesus!
Please be a poe, please be a poe, please be a poe...
No? yes Virginia boogeymen do exist, they want to murder you to save your soul.
I have actually though about this: if the Bible would be correct, there would be no deed more respectable than going to a hospital/kindergarden or other place with lots of children, and start shooting. Continue this as long as you live. You have just condemned yourself to hell to save many people you don't even know personally. Of course this is only if Bible or any other religous book isn't a collection of fairytales...
Sweet Monkey Jesus!
Please be a poe, please be a poe, please be a poe...
No, yes Virginia boogeymen do exist, they want to murder you to save your soul.
Ozzie -- nah, it's not as bad as it used to be, but I think I'm a good deal older than you -- I remember the one bathroom with the trough in the floor.
They do still have liverwurst and onions and their hellaciously (in a good way) hot mustard.
It's their 155th anniversary tomorrow, but February 17th was officially declared McSorley's Day back on their 150th.
So black and tans all around!
Well, everything Mark said is the logical conclusion from the beliefs of christian fundamentalists.
Or to say it in short simple words for our dear fundamwentalists:
;)
Can you prove any of this?
No. Neither your personal belief nor the Bible count as proof.
If you have no proof, your belief is on the same level as me telling you that I believe in the characters in Snow White, or the Grimm Brothers' tales. Hell, I might even choose to believe in the three bears and Goldilocks.
It would make as much sense as your belief - unless you come up with the proof!
@Lila, yes, I don't remember that, but I do remember the old Irish bartender not being happy that they allowed women in the bar and finally in the 70's had to put in a women's bathroom. He loved telling that story to us women everytime we went in. My first time there was early 90's I think.
...the difference between A and C is really not that much. Eternity is infinite. Adding on 70 lost years of earth life is nothing.
That's your opinion, Mark, but not everyone's. The difference between A and C is a lifetime on this planet that never was. Asshole.
I've been saying this all along.
If you really believe the Christian doctrine of "you get to heaven based entirely on whether you were a Believer at the moment you die," then the logical conclusion is to kill every Christian before they have a chance to change their mind.
Quite possibly the most fucked-up thing I've ever read.
I wish you had been born to "nutcase" murderers, too.
Hi mark, I don't know how old you are, but are you gonna kill your children? Or are you not gonna bother having any so you won't have to kill them? The earlier the better I suppose. So when your kid pops it's head out of your wife's pussy, do you instantly behead it? You're simple really.
I sincerely hope this jackass (the one who killed his son, to assure his "salvation") rots in PMITA prison for the rest of his life.
As for mark, DIE. Die in a fucking fire while being eaten by a lion... no, wait, that's just too cruel to the lion. Just DIE IN A FIRE.
In the Puritan era all the stories were about children who were so good that their 'reward' was dying young enough to still be free of sin.
I thought we'd progressed past that.
(Really guys, don't take us back there. I'd be burned as a witch. And that would hurt.)
...Bloody hell you fundies truly represent something. That the english dictionary is imcomplete, their is no word for how contridictary, stupid, scatterbrained, and half-witted you all are.
Die in a fire. Or jump into a wood chipper. Anything, I don't care, just die.
Horribly and in searing pain.
Re: Drax'es post
Christianity justifies murder, too, huh? I'll call the Taliban and tell them they have competition. Shit, there's already been two murders (that I've read about) and a bombing of an abortion clinic already...
...but abortions are bad? I marvel at your "simplicity".
I'd rather take 70 or 80 years of known human life here and now, than chance it all on an uncertain heaven or hell run by an unknown deity or demon.
If you choose to be murdered, isn't that like suicide-by-cop? Suicide won't get you into heaven, last time I checked.
A: You are born. You live till 70. You believe in God. You rot in the ground.
B. You are born. You live till 70. You don't believe in God. You rot in the ground.
C. You are born. You die at a young age. You rot in the ground.
D. (the man that murdered his son to "save his son's salvation"): He goes to jail. The only way he leaves is in a box. Every day he is assraped by the entire cellblock, and his cellmate Bubba. He is in his own personal Hell. He dies. He rots in the ground.
It's simple really.
The idea that children automatically go to heaven always bugged me. If life is a test, as the christians tell us, just how the hell do these little shits rate an exemption from that test? Why are they special?
"It's simple really."
And wrong.
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