In rape trials, the victim is almost always asked a question something like, "What were you wearing?"
Jesus said in Mat 5:28, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Here is the point I want to make: modesty is essential. Rapist are attracted to those who are immodest. How often do we hear about kids and teens being kidnapped, raped and murdered. Then we see pictures of the kids only to see that they were not modest at all. Jean Bennet Ramsey was dressed, as a little child, like a scaled-down adult protestitute. What should we expect from the dregs of society? My point is simply this: I believe that if you knowingly dress in a way to attract guys, you are as guilty of adultery as the guys are. You are committing adultery with them
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Sadly, that question almost certainly DOES get asked of the (alleged) victim in rape trials, but even just ASKING it conveys an assumption that she was asking for it . I swear, if I were a judge presiding over such a case, and the defense asked the girl that question, I would call the counsels to the bench and give a blistering lecture on the subject, with the jury present. Whatever the girl is wearing (or not wearing) has no bearing on whether the guy had her expressed consent for sex.
I think your point would be better supported had Jesus actually said "But I say unto you, That whenever one looketh on a woman to lust after her, she hath committed adultery with him already in her heart."
"My point is simply this: I believe that if you knowingly dress in a way to attract guys, you are as guilty of adultery as the guys are. You are committing adultery with them."
I'm fairly certain that in Canada, the victim's dress style is not permitted to be inquired about by the defense lawyer, or the victim's sexual history, unless there is fact essential to the defense (for example, a woman with an extensive history of psychiatric care often accused people of raping her: there was a case where this was a factor in NS some time ago, but in that instance I believe the defendant was found guilty).
I wonder if Randy realizes how much he's insulting the dignity of men everywhere. I, for one, am perfectly capable of controlling my sexual urges in the presense of attractive, scantily-clad women. I might gawk a bit, but...
They are not guilty of adultery. They are guilty of RAPE. FORCED SEXUAL CONTACT."What should we expect from the dregs of society?"
You, Randy.
That question is very often asked: it is not considered permissable evidence, and the jury is instructed to disregard it.
It bothers me that Brother Randy points out the way JonBenet Ramsey's parents dressed her. What kind of adult man looks at a little girl and thinks "prostitute?"
A rape victim's character or dress is not a justification or excuse for rape in any court I know. In fact, blue shield laws typically exclude much of that from even being presented at trial (at least in the US). The exception and possible way around that is for when the defense tries to ruin the victim's credibility as a witness.
From the Authorized "Pull-It-Out-of-Your-Ass" Version of the Bible: Matt. 5:28 - "But I [Jesus] say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart, unless she's in a mini-skirt; then it's OK to rape the little slut."
In rape trials, the victim is almost always asked a question something like, "What were you wearing?" Wouldn't surprise me one bit. The defense counsel in rape trials is as a rule downright respectless, I understand.
So, no means actually yes. Listen man, in a trial NEVER is admitted the way the woman dressed as evidence, NEVER, because, as the judge reminds, they´re not trying the woman, but the man. So, better inform yourself. Second, if the man is unable to control their passions, NO MATTER HOW IMMODESTLY THEY DRESSED(what about the statistics that show that the attire varied a good deal depending on the victim?, what about war rapes?, do you think that six years old girls, UNABLE TO BREED, are seducers and sluts?), it´s their fault. If they can´t control their passions and break their marriages IT´S THEIR FAULT INTEGRALLY.
Randy... Here's the thing you slimy fat fuck!"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Now, you can believe this if you like. So what's your adultery count at now? 1,000? 2,000? 20,000?
Now let's look at the next two things Jesus said in his sermon...
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
So Randy, you're blind with both hands and your dick cut off right? And your lying tongue's cut out?
STOP CHERRY PICKING TO ASSERT YOUR FUCKED UP AGENDA OF HATE AND IGNORANCE AND FEAR!
Brother Randy is one fucked-up asshole.
How often do we hear about kids and teens being kidnapped, raped and murdered. Then we see pictures of the kids only to see that they were not modest at all. Jean Bennet Ramsey was dressed, as a little child, like a scaled-down adult protestitute. HOLY HELL RANDY! GET HELP!
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Dude, you just took the best quote for rape victims from the Bible, and you twisted it around. The sin committed would be the man looking at the woman, not the woman. The man is committing adultery with her in his heart - she's not.
By the way, the verse is clear. Jesus says that ONLY the one who looks lustily a woman sins. You´re not clarifying anything AT ALL. I find funny that all these fundies think that just because they quote a verse and explain it, they have done one of the seven wonders of the world, even as if, in this case, the make no sense whatsoever. And by the way, the guy has to be married to be adultery.
Rapist are attracted to those who are immodest.
Rapists are attracted to the weak and helpless, not the assured and self-sufficient. YOU are setting these children up to feel guilt for the crimes of their tormentors even though they are the victims of molestation with your warped hatred of women. YOU ARE THE DREGS OF SOCIETY! You and your collection of women haters hiding behind the name of Christ. And when one of these innocent children follows your advice and is brutalized, you will walk saying that she must have somehow provoked it! You are beneath contempt, with your coddling and abetting of domestic abusers, hiding them behind your miserable excuse for a Christian mission. You are a sadistic pervert using God to advance your own chauvinism and fear of strong women!
What about the number of old women who are raped in their homes by these sick fucks? Were they dressed immodestly in their nightgowns?
Ohh! So now Randy has gone from a simple rape apologist to a child rape apologist . Apparently, despite being forced to dress up like a whore and then raped by her parents was Jon-Benet's fault for being born a cute little girl. I have no words to describe how completely disgusting and sick this is.
Do you know what the scariest part for me is? If you look at the Poll, ONLY 1 person is disagreeing with this maniac. The other members just seem to be mindless drones that are programmed to say "Amen!" to WHATEVER this guy says. Can we be POSITIVE that this guy isn't pretty much ALL of these people?
The Bro still has this image in his mind of the rapist hiding in an alley waiting for a scantily-clad woman to wander by. Here's the reality:National Crime Victimization Survey, 2005
Factors predicting the kind of guy who would rape a woman include include: having stereotyped beliefs about sex roles, negative attitudes towards women, alcohol and acceptance of rape myths (such as "women actually want to be raped"). Fundie males would appear to fit at least three of those.
Finally, if immodest dress is a factor, how come the US has 28 times as many rapes per capita as Greece? Girls dress pretty much the same way in both countries.
Fuck you, Bro. Randy.
Seriously, Fuck you. Fuck you with a salt covered, flaming, blunt rusty knife. It is because of jerk offs like you that hundreds of women who are raped are afraid to report it, out of misguided guilt that they somehow brought it on themselves. no. fucking. Means. No. Any man who can't grasp that is a monster, and an asshole. Yourself, not only included, but at the top of that list.
So, I guess we should make everyone wear burkas, then. Little girls and boys, old women, teenagers, prisoners, everyone except the monsters who actually rape them. Yeah, that makes so much sense. Inhuman beast.
Jeff: You were coming on to me.
Hayley: They always say that, Jeff.
Jeff: Who?
Hayley: Who? The pedophiles! "Oh, she was so sexy, she was asking for it." "She was only technically a girl; she acted like a woman." It's just so easy, to blame a kid! Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman doesn't mean that she is ready to do what a woman does. I mean, you're the grownup here. If a kid experiments and says something flirtatious, you ignore it. You don't encourage it.
- Ellen Page and Patrick Wilson in "Hard Candy"
It dosent matter what clothing she was wearing.
Jean Bennet Ramsey was dressed, as a little child, like a scaled-down adult protestitute.
You are committing adultery with them.
if i had a daughter, i wouldn't let her anywhere near Bro. Randy. i've read a lot of his posts, and i'm convinced this guy molests little girls, or wants to.
"Rapist are attracted to those who are immodest."
No Randy, rapists target people whom they expect will give them little to no trouble while they assert power over them. Old women are targeted for rape. Babies are targeted for rape. Yes, even good, modestly dressed fundamentalists are targeted for rape. In some cases, even men are targeted for rape.
I have three daughters, a wife, a mother and a mother-in-law, all of whom I love very much. If I honestly thought I could protect them from being raped by insisting they wear burkas, I would do it in an instance. Unfortunately, that would NOT prevent them from being raped. More likely though it would be a huge beacon to every would-be rapist that this is a woman who caters to a man's desire for control.
Rape has NOTHING to do with attraction. The issue here is NOT lust. It is the perverse desire to exert power over some one by degrading them.
But then, I'm sure I don't need to explain the perverse desire for petty power to some one who directs his thoughtless rants to young and impressionable people and ruthlessly blocks anyone who disagree with him.
Randy, you are just scum, a piece of trash who blames the victim instead of the perpetrator.
Even if you were right and clothing influenced rape (and I'm not saying it does) still it is the rapist fault. The victims are just that: victims.
In your sick mind, what do YOU consider inmodest in a woman? Why Jean Bennet Ramsey was "dressing as a prostitute"? Was she wearing a miniskirt? pants? showing her ankles? Making sound as she walked? What did she do to deserve being raped, you sick bastard?!
Good luck trying to explain God why you SHOULDN'T go to hell.
First, if an attorney or prosecutor makes that kind of question, he or she can even be expelled from the lawyers association bar. So, NOPE. Second, what Jesus said was that the MAN who is looking at the woman is the adulterer, NOT THE WOMAN. You don´t need two people for that.
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