People who believe (yes that takes faith) in evolution are "willingly ignorant" according to the Bible. They make the conscious decision to ignore the Bible, and consequently God.
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It's difficult to figure if RR or T4C is more chock full of fundies.
Also, that sounds like some argument of Kent Hovind's I've seen parodied a couple dozen times.
The bible has Jesus say that he will return while some of those in his presence as he spoke to them would still be alive. He didn't, as it happens. So what do you believe about that? Didi Jesus lie, or is the bible wrong?
This whole "bible=the word of god" thing confuses me. I have read the bible many times over, and I cannot see where this comes from. There are a few quotes from "god", ie "I am what I am", but nowhere, in any of the books, does the bible claim that even one of the books is the actual word of god. Nowhere.
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According to John 1:1 "...the Word was God." So many do believe that the Bible = God = the Bible.
Here's the problem: "Word" is translated from "Logos," a name of logic incarnate (metaphysically). What many Christians don't know is that passage is saying that an already existing semi-god, Logos, is really God, of the Bible - it was specifically written to draw in the Greeks.
Including willingly ignoring the fact that you're using a computer, designed by science, not God, to say all this?
Of course they are... according to the Bible, but then, the Bible is the prime text of the world's largest cult. I shouldn't expect that it would say anything else.
According to Papabear, people who believe in the assertions put forth in the Bible are willingly deluded.
let's, for argument purposes, let you have the evolution takes faith point, for the moment.
Their is no more faith involved in believing in evolution than there is convicting a murderer. Yes, we weren't there, yes, there's a certain amount of guesswork, but after a certain point, all the evidence points in one direction.
"People who believe (yes that takes faith) in evolution are "willingly ignorant" according to the Bible."
Yeah faith....evidence....its all the same really.
"They make the conscious decision to ignore the Bible, and consequently God."
Well at least we can agree on something. Although its actually very easy to ignore something that doesn't exist!
It's a pity that none of these people seem to have noticed that the Bible never in fact insists that it is all literal truth. It makes extensive use of metaphor to teach its principles--for heaven's sake, Jesus taught in parables, didn't he? But, of course, literalism allows them to ignore the greatest gift God ever gave us, which is our brains.
People who believe (yes that takes faith) in evolution are "willingly ignorant" according to the Bible.
That's a shiny, shiny mirror Mrs. Kellie.
We do not "believe" in evolution, we accept it as a scientific theory, and the only theory that is supported by genetics, the fossil record and so forth.
It's called evidence Mrs. Kellie.
You might want to consult a dictionary on the definition of faith. Look up "evidence" too while you're at it.
They make the conscious decision to ignore the Bible, and consequently God.
Why do you ignore the Havamal and Odin Mrs. Kellie?
I do agree that saying "I believe in evolution" sounds more faith-centred than it actually is. Dividing people into who "believes" and who doesn't can also cause headaches as we see here. I think it's much simpler to divide people according to evolutionary stance like so: Those who understand it, and those who don't.
All the people I have known who claimed to reject evolution revealed their stunning ignorance on the topic moments later. Similarly, I have never known anybody to have undertaken a long, in-depth, open-minded study of evolutionary theory, and come out of it saying; "Nah, there's absolutely no way. Goddidit."
If anybody knows of any exceptions or contradictions to this, let me know.
"People who believe (yes that takes faith) in evolution are "willingly ignorant" according to the Bible. "
And just where in the bible does it say this? Passage, please, chapter and verse.
The passage about the "willingly ignorant" is part of a rather lame response by Peter to the people who were starting to say "OK, you keep telling us Jesus is coming back any day now ... well, where the f*%@ is he, already?" [2 Peter 3:5]. The early Christians who had confidently predicted Jesus' return in their own lifetimes were starting to sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses - constantly predicting an end that never comes. It's part of the old "one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" passage (i.e., stop watching the calendar - Jesus really might have meant he's coming back thousands of years from now). It has nothing remotely to do with evolution.
What I love about TC4 is that self-righteous arrogance that says "Don't bother with the Bible, we'll tell you what God wants" asshole attitude. They love the "willingly ignorant"! I think Bro Randy and crew's worst nightmare is that these kids will actually start reading the Bible and find out how many lies and how much of their own bigotry that they have placed in God's mouth.
"People who believe (yes that takes faith) in evolution are "willingly ignorant" according to the Bible."
Ummmm - I don't recall 'evolution' being mentioned anywhere in the babble. In fact, that 'omission' is a commonly used fundie argument against evolution.
You can't have it both ways!
Actually, I obeyed "God's word" precisely.
Ah, but that's the good thing about the theory of evolution. We are able to examine the evidence for the theory, evaluate its validity and draw conclusions thereof. Belief has no part in it. That is true for any legitimate science.
That is why science is better than your bible.
Sorry, but when I see the name "Mrs. Kellie", I envision a TV program for three-year-olds with a lady with a fixed smile, a forced-cheerfulness voice, and a lap full of glove puppets and stuffed animals.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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