[OP was asking thoughts on her daughters situation - she is 23, divorced, dating "unbeliever" and *gasp* pregnant.]
I don't believe that compounding her sin by marrying an unbeliever will make things better for anyone, probably the child most of all. There are reasons why God says not to do that.
I think if she ever hopes to be a good witness to her boyfriend, she needs to break things off with him and move out with the baby. Then he may see that she is serious about her faith now and that maybe he should take her words seriously too. To stay with him is to further damage her integrity and witness to fear God and obey Him.
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I'm an atheist, my partner is a believer [though not fundie and not church-going], and we're doing just fine, so I really don't see what the problem is. I think this is proof enough that believers and non-believers alike can get along. Why the hell do you have to always make it so difficult and fraught with imaginary obstacles?
The daughter's maternal instincts may well override her superstitions and she might rightly come to the conclusion that it will be best for the child's well-being if it becomes a normal human. Therefore, the daughter may become an atheist whether or not she marries the sensible chap. I mean to say, who wants their child to embark on a lifetime of evil and willful ignorance?
In other words, you think that threats and extortion, as in, "Start going to church with me or I'll leave you and deny you the chance raise your own kid" are effective witnessing tools.
More like, that's a formula that will produce a poor single mother now, or one later when they end up divorced--and a very hungry single mother and kid at that, thanks to you voting all of their welfare away.
1. Wouldn't staying with him be a more likely way to convert him, which is ostensibly the goal of Christianity?
2. It's very possible that your daughter is no longer Christian anymore and hasn't told you because she knows you'll overreact.
Get a neutral counselor, one who isn't your pastor or your well-meaning but bigoted mother. Maybe you could also *gasp* talk to the boyfriend about what he wants instead of using his child (that's right, atheists deserve to have children, too) as an extortion tool.
This is why fundies fear wiccans, atheists, moslems and jews ...
Or, she could be in love with him and not as fundie as her mother is. And I thought that fundies were pretty adamant that children need both a mother and a father. At least, that's one of the main arguments against single parenthood and gay marriage.
1 Corinthians 7:12-14: “
If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband
”
Since they are living together and expecting a child, they are married in the eyes of God, so this verse applies.
Yes pathetic mortals. Hear me, not my wishy-washy hippie of a son. I am not love but death. I am not peace but war. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning, but most importantly, the end. The end where all of you who refused to be my sycophantic slaves will burn for my twisted amusement. I will laugh as my greatest creation and best of friend, Satan Prince of Darkness, spit roasts you over open magma for ever and eternity. Burn you wretches, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
If the boyfriend is the baby's father then the daughter has broken a few commandments already. As long as the boyfriend accepts her faith and desire to attend church it should all work out ok.
If her ex-husband is the baby's father then thats a bit different.
Actually, if she walks away, how is he going to take her seriously?. If she is serious about her faith, she wouldn´t mind the fact that her boyfriend doesn´t believe in God. Second, how is she going to, ehem, witness him, if she runs away?
Shouldn't a wife always be loyal to her husband? This is the hardest part, both about mocking Christianity and converting to it. Chances are if there is a Christian church out there that believes one thing, like the wife should be submissive to her husband at all times, there's another church that doesn't believe in it at all. Even among fundamentalists there's disagreement about what they each believe.
mrsyoungie wroteI love quoting their bible back at them to prove them wrong.
Ah. but the mother's already been married once so according to the Bible she can't remarry anyway. But according to the posters on the thread that's Old Testament stuff that only applies to Jews, not Christians. Talk about cherry picking...
a man wants to raise his child,be a good father,and
"Then he may see that she is serious about her faith[...]"
If she is divorced and had sex out of wedlock, then she obviously doesn't share your particular faith.
solomongrundy said:
"mrsyoungie wrote
Ah. but the mother's already been married once so according to the Bible she can't remarry anyway. But according to the posters on the thread that's Old Testament stuff that only applies to Jews, not Christians. Talk about cherry picking..."
My quote was from Corinthians i.e. New Testament.
I'm beginning to notice that parts of speech mean nothing to fundies.
Witness (n., v., prep., con., inter., ger., adj., adv.)
Confused?
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