If you reject Creation as being an important tenet of Christianity, you reject the idea that man is a creature of God. If you reject that man is a creature of God, you reject that man has any moral obligations to God and to anyone. If you reject that man has any moral obligations to God and to anyone, you reject that man can sin, and if you reject that man can sin, you reject the necessity fo a Redeemer. If you reject the necessity of a Redeemer, you reject Christ's atoning work. If you reject Christ's atoning work you reject God
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If you reject Evolution, you reject a logical conclusion based on observable evidence. If you reject logical conjecture, you reject science. If you reject science, well fuck. I don't know. You get to fly or something.
Remove the "and to anyone" in two instances, and you have a well-presented argument.
Note: Rejection is antithetical to circular logic; it tends to break the chain at every step.
Yup, that's what I'm doing.
And your point is what, exactly ?
"If you reject Creation as being an important tenet of Christianity, you reject the idea that man is a creature of God." tl;dr...
The shitloads of evidence to prove Evolution*. The Large Hadron Collider.
'God' and 'Jesus' don't exist.
Next question.
*- I bet HoustonRocketUpHisArse shit bricks a month after he posted this arse gravy, when in December 2005...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District#Decision
Yes, that's right little Raptard: a decision made by a Christian Conservative , personally appointed by your God Emperor of Fucking Up, George Dumyba Bush, voted in by you of the Religious Right - twice, no less. The irony is exquisitely sweet.
Evolution is fact . Crationism - and therefore the Bible as a whole - is lies . The law says so - and it's all your fault (PROTIP: Romans 13:1-5).
Deal with it.
You fundies have proved that you're wrong, and we Atheists are right. Deal with it II.
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If all that, they reject YOUR god. But the point is moot, since I do reject belief in any god. However, objective morality is entirely independent of the existence of god - there's no contradiction in being an atheistic moral universalist or a theistic nihilist. Indeed, a great many fundamentalists seem to reason that without God there would be no moral standard, which amounts to saying that God's merely the ultimate "because I said so".
Morality? Like in the old testament? Quite a guide for morality. Stone unruly kids, kill those that work on the sabbath, force victims to marry their rapists...If that's the kind of morality you're talking about, I certainly reject it.
And given that biblical morality, no surprise why most in prisons are theists.
Appendix: 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, as formatted in Rice/Swift
Note that in this version, the names of a couple of religious groups remain non-standardized, and self-identified "Atheist" remains separate from "Unknown/None."
Response Number %
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Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
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Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)
Unknown/No Answer 18381
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Total Convicted 93112 80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.
Held in Custody 3856 (not surveyed due to temporary custody)
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Total In Prisons 96968
“If you reject Creation as being an important tenet of Christianity, you reject the idea that man is a creature of God.”
Not at all. You just don’t take Genesis as a literal history. God’s still behind it all. But he works gently, not flashy.
“If you reject that man is a creature of God, you reject that man has any moral obligations to God and to anyone.”
Not true. If we evolved as a social animal, we have developed moral obligations within the gene pool to the advantage of everyone.
“If you reject that man has any moral obligations to God and to anyone, you reject that man can sin, and if you reject that man can sin, you reject the necessity fo a Redeemer.”
Not taking Genesis as literal does not make me an amoral barbarian.
I don’t believe in god, personally, but not because of evolution vice Creation.
“If you reject the necessity of a Redeemer, you reject Christ's atoning work. If you reject Christ's atoning work you reject God”
You are too intent on reaching your desired conclusion. not every consequence you propose is the ONLY consequence of a choice.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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