OK no comments on it being illegal, it isnt illegal because congress says so and wont be unconstitutional until the supreme court says so. that aside why are you for or aganist it (im guessing were gonna see a lot of aganist so ill say the for side)
there is no "right to privacy" in the constitution so it can not violate our "right to privacy" there is a right aganist unlawful search and seizure, but that relates more to personal being, wire tapping is no different then an informant overhearing something in the bar. not to mention why does anyone really care if the feds are listening? its not an actual person doing the listening but a machine and the records arnt made public unless you are convicted of being a terrorist.
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May I reference Roe v Wade for a moment here? RvW upheld a previous precedent that all people have a right to privacy. Unless and until you can overturn RvW, you cannot argue against a right to privacy, for it is precedental law.
Okay, some people lack the insight that telephones and wiretapping wasn't really a big issue when the constitution was written because the telephone wasn't invented yet.
You might not value your rights, Alex, but some of us do, at least what few rights there are left since the Chimpeperor stole the last two elections.
It's alright if you want to give up your rights and be a sheep, but I'm not willing to go so quietly.
DoctorX wrote:
Don't forget the disclaimer: "if the Supreme Court says so but I don't agree with it, it was because of activist judges and we can disregard the ruling entirely!"
"its not an actual person doing the listening but a machine..." bullets kill people.
Alex, is there ANY point at which you would consider yourself to be twisting the law beyond recognition? Because for me, you passed that point quite some time ago.
~David D.G.
I think all those in favor of wiretapping laws should volunteer to post their tax returns, medical records, and financial records on the internet for all to see. Just to show that they have nothing to hide. I think it should be MANDATORY for these fuckwits. Put up or shut up.
Back when the FISA law was passed, the FBI planted bugs in the bedrooms of antiwar protestors, civil rights activists (including Martin Luther King), the KKK, and even a sitting Supreme Court judge. A great deal of political information was obtained, including information about congressmen involved in legislation on which the President had a stake. Some of the wiretaps were of lawyers' phones and netted legally-protected information about their clients. Other taps gave politicians a secret heads-up on future news stories. Information collected from bedrooms gave the FBI information about marital problems, sex lives and other private conversations that could be used to coerce or silence people. It's just a dumb idea to give politicians the right to snoop on people without neutral oversight.
4th amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violatedshall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
There is a right to privacy. Saying "the Constitution doesn't give the people a right to privacy" is a contradiction of the 9th amendment. Plus, the 4th amendment gives us a right to privacy in many respects.
"...wire tapping is no different than an informant overhearing things in a bar..."
To take this on a complete tangent, it would be easier to ban bullets than ban guns. Bullets, after all, have to explode. Guns have no such requirement.
To all my freedom loving friends in the USA. It appears as though your Constitutional Rights are under attack by this administration, and your worst enemies aren't the politicians, but retards like Alex who haven't a clue what they're rights really are.
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