[Commenting on a news article on the Mercy Ministries abuse scandal]
A clear anti-supernatural, anti-Christian prejudice is displayed in this article. The accusation that people were "forced" to go through exorcisms in a free program. My, my. Free services often have rules and/or requirements. What is wrong with requiring someone who of their own free will participates in a free service to read a prayer saying "I cast you out in the name of Jesus."?
The Tennessean clearly states that this program is getting great results and then turns around and runs it down. And then they list the names of some of the contributors as if trying to associate those contributors with some kind of wrong doing.
Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief. It is a Biblical belief. Jesus, Himself, believed in demons and drove them out of people. The Bible and Christinity both teach that demons are a reality and can have a strong negative influence on people's lives. They both teach that people can be set free from demons through the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus, Himself, taught that if a person is freed from demonic influence and allows that demon to return to hiis life, it will be stronger than it was the first time. An anti-supernatural prejudice, however, discounts and/or mocks these serious Christian beliefs.
If you don't believe in demons, talk to an addict. I counseled more than 1600 alcoholics and addicts and almost every one of them believed in the reality of demons. They knew it from personal experience -- a negative, compulsive force had control of their lives. Many found freedom through the supernatural power of Jesus Christ.
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Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief.
Yes, yes it is when it prevents people finding real causes and treatments for their problems.
It is a Biblical belief.
I didn't need any more evidence to convince me that religion is for whackjobs.
What is wrong with requiring someone who of their own free will
Fail.
Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief.
Oh, bullshit, give me a fucking break. It's your gross attempt at squeezing through the cracks of being a psychopath. "No, judge, I was beating the demons out of my kids and they just so happened to die!!"
An anti-supernatural prejudice
Is this even possible?
If you don't believe in demons, talk to an addict. I counseled more than 1600 alcoholics and addicts and almost every one of them believed in the reality of demons.
For what? To see how they replaced one addiction with another? Btw, [citation needed.]
Many found freedom through the supernatural power of Jesus Christ.
Let's see it happen in Darfur.
A drowning man clutches at straws. Gods, devils, angels, demons exist only in the mind. Those that see them are either mentally deranged, drunk or drugged to the teeth.
For fuck's sake.
I am sick and tired of people trying to pass off addiction as some sort of disease or possession or whatever. The cure for adiction is STOP DOING IT. The responsibility lies with you.
And exorcisims are a dangerous, even deadly practise for the (comparitively) healthy people that have to endure them. Just imagine how much worse it is for people who are already in a poor state of health.
Also, they don't work.
Addicts blame demons for their condition because the reality of them being the only one responsible for their actions is unjustifable when asking for help from others.
"Please help me, i only have myself to blame"
No.
"Please help me, I have a demon possessing me and making me inject this shit"
Humouring them, even in the slightest, is dangerous and damaging and stops them from combating the real cause of their addiction, themselves.
Demon's are there for people who can't take accept resonsibilty for their own actions
"I swear, the only reason i smoke/drink excessively/take hard drugs is coz Satan told me to do it! not coz i'm a weak-willed moron!!"
"If you don't believe in demons, talk to an addict."
Does talking to a retard who claims to be a drug addict count? If not you should lay off the rag or put down the garbage bag full of gasoline.
While I'll grant that addiction can be a real "demon" to deal with... you know what, scratch that. There's too much FAIL in that post.
BTW, the demons the alkies mentioned are ALCOHOL-INDUCED HALLUCINATIONS.
You know, when people say that they have to deal with their demons, they dont actually mean demons sent from hell to mess with us because satan felt like it and god can't apparently stop him from doing what he feels like. Its a figure of speech, do you think "same old song and dance" refers to an old song with a dance to go with it like la macarena?
oh for fuck's sake. The residents at Mercy Ministries do NOT consent to exorcisms. A close friend of mine is one of the people who came forward about the whole thing re: Mercy Ministries in Australia, and that place fucked her up beyond belief (ha. pun not intended). The people who run MM are lying, power hungry assholes who intentionally deceive vulnerable girls & women into believing they're going to be getting 'professional' treatment, when in fact most of the staff are bible college students.
It's not 'free' either - here they make residents sign over any social security allowances they're receiving, plus the staff apply for carer pensions.
Damn I hate mindless, ignorant Mercy Ministries defenders who haven't a clue what they're talking about.
"What is wrong with requiring someone who of their own free will participates in a free service to read a prayer saying 'I cast you out in the name of Jesus.'?"
I regret ever giving this ministry the benefit of any doubt.
Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief.
And yet you'll be the first in line to mock Scientology for their stated belief that evil aliens are clinging to us and causing us grief, pain, and misery.
Many found freedom through the supernatural power of Jesus Christ.
I'm willing to bet that far more of them found freedom through the secular power of A.A.
"What is wrong with requiring someone who of their own free will participates in a free service to read a prayer"
When you verbally abuse that refuse, and when you never suggested that such things would be the depth and breadth of treatment.
"Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief."
And we get to the crux of matter: whether shouting out demons is a legitimate psychiatric treatment. Pro-tip: it isn't.
"If you don't believe in demons, talk to an addict."
If you don't believe in demons, just ask this drug user who is an altered state of mind and experiencing hallucinations. He'll tell you, without a doubt, that demons are real. Totally reliable source.
....Riiiight.
"a negative, compulsive force had control of their lives."
That's just a description of an addiction itself. Not some demon that's causing it. A "compulsive force" making you feel like you're not in control and have to keep doing something that's harmful to yourself... that's what an addiction IS.
What this post achieved was to make me want to know more, so I googled Mercy Ministries, and that led me to StopBaptistPredators.org, and that site was truly an eye-opener. It seems as though an enormous number of Southern Baptist pastors just can't keep their hands and often other parts of their anatomies too off the children in their congregations.
I knew it happened, but on this scale . . . truly frightening. But then we all know that fundies have no shame.
fergus
"What this post achieved was to make me want to know more, so I googled Mercy Ministries, and that led me to StopBaptistPredators.org, and that site was truly an eye-opener. It seems as though an enormous number of Southern Baptist pastors just can't keep their hands and often other parts of their anatomies too off the children in their congregations."
Uh redfergus, Mercy Ministries isn't affiliated with Baptists, it is a front group for The Assemblies of God/Neopentecostal movement.
addicts also believe that bugs are crawling on them and pink elephants exist. They're not a great source of rationality.
Oh and the ones that become Christian are just changing one addiction for another. Or they become closet addicts. You don't want to know how many closet alcoholics are good fundies.
... 1600 alcoholics and addicts and almost every one of them believed in the reality of demons... Many found freedom through the supernatural power of Jesus Christ.
Somebody else to blame/trading one addiction for another.
I was a heavy smoker and drinker for years, and I quit both. Me. Not god or Jesus, not the AA, not prayer. I did the drinking and smoking and like the Little Red Hen I did the quitting myself.
Now if I can kick internet porno my tennis elbow will probably heal itself, too.
Tell the FDA about 'demons', then we'll talk.
Funny then, how the MHRA/BMC - to say nothing of the ASA here in the UK - seem to disagree.
Those nasty things known as 'Peer Review' in medical journals ("BMJ"/"The Lancet") and 'Clinical Trials' seem to get in the way of your precious 'belie f'-based Healing , do they not? That, and our secular scientific & (critical) thinking-based need for proof , certainly replicatable/repeatable testing [/JREF]. And our awful innately British sense of cynical 'Question Everything ', before we know that it works, certainly our need to know how it works (and fuck the 'Whys' of things).
Reality. Always proving the 'Supernatural' wrong , eh? Ain't it a bitch, Stevie-boy...?! [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]
Apparently you've talked to 1,600 addicts and managed to learn absolutely nothing from them. I've talked to a fair number of addicts myself. Here is what I have learned:
- Many addicts leap at excuses when they are offered. It is easier for them to tolerate their lives when they can blame their addiction on their parents/"society"/their abuser/demons
- Many addicts are extremely manipulative. If they sense that they can get something from you, they will tell you anything they think you want to hear. If you want to hear about demons, they'll give you demons.
- Quite a few addicts are mentally ill. They either self-medicate with their substance(s) or they develop mental illness from the effects of their substance. And many mentally ill people see demons.
Simply put, if the testimony of addicts is what you are relying on, an anti-supernatural standpoint is perfectly justified.
Confused?
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