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One more thing: Evolutionists; Do you really believe Humans evolved from one celled or multi celled organisms, then to amphibians, then to birds, alligators, then monkeys etc?

Or do you only believe in the evolution that deals with Natural Selection and adaptation dictated by environment, therefore Humans bypassed many different species? Like passed the reptilian phase and straight from Amphibian to bird to monkey, etc.?

Do you really think the world is that old? It would take billions and billions of years to evolve to human, Don't forget some knowledgable scientists believe the world to be quite young and also have evidence to possibly support their claims.

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old comment by Swede

Honey, you need to go back to fifth grade Biology and study evolution again, because it doesn't say anything like that.

The world is quite young, yes; only about 4.5 billion years old. The Universe is much older; about 13 billion years old. That is not what I think; that is the consensus of all creditable scientists in the field.

A scientist is not going to say that s/he can "possibly support" her/his claim; s/he'll be laughed out of the lab. You have to positively support it, and others have to be able to do the same tests and end up with the same result. Why don't these "knowledgeable scientists" present their evidence finally - so that it can be checked with the scientific method, which is the only way to determine if the evidence does indeed support their claim. Or, was this what they tried to do in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover trial? “Possibly” went through the garbage chute, pretty fast, there...

old comment by Canadiest

Matbe the most irritating thing about Creationists is there this idea that those who don't even believe in evolution insist they're the ones who get to decide how long it would take.

Not the scientists, biologists, archeologists or historians working, sometimes crosschecking each other to get an idea of how the world was a thousand years ago, or ten thousand, or a million or more. Nope, only theologians, priests or little Joe Bible boy can determine these things.

Like the Irreducible Complexity strawman they threw in years ago, THEY get to decide what's TOO complex to have evolved. Behe invented the concept but he's been forced to admit his example has failed, of course, being a creationist he's dishonest enough to still push it.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Do you really believe Humans evolved from one celled or multi celled organisms, then to amphibians, then to birds, alligators, then monkeys etc?"

I know we did. No 'Belief' required.

That's the beauty of Evidence, it proves things infinitely better than just taking bullshit fairy tales purely on spec, and saying 'Okay, that sounds credible because it requires no thinking, certainly of the critical sort.

'Theories': They have a rather nasty habit of becoming facts. After all...:

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...just ask the Church of England; they openly admit that the Bible is mostly fable & metaphor. Question(s): if [/Spartan Laconic Wit] the Bible is supposed to be the literal 'Word of God', to be fully obeyed literally, word-for-word, letter-for letter, why did the defence in Kitzmiller vs. Dover have to cloak their 'literal' Bible under the facade of (un)'Intelligend Design' (worse-than) pseudoscience? Surely the 'Truth' of Genesis' literal 'facts' should shine through, destroying any possible critical thinking/cynicism-based questioning? And above all, if the Bible is 'fact' as you Cre(a)ti(o)nists say it is, why is Darwin buried in the C-of-E's Westminster Abbey? Someone who, post-discoveries, was an agnostic to his death, yet in his early years was in training to join the Church of England's clergy, no less.

'YEC'? 'Cre(a)ti(o)nism'? (un)'Intelligent Design'? The Professors of Theology in the C-of-E (and thus they know infinitely more about your beliefs than you do) disagree, don't bother them about it.

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"Do you really believe Humans evolved from one celled or multi celled organisms, then to amphibians, then to birds, alligators, then monkeys etc?"

How the hell does an alligator become a monkey?!

And how the hell does a simple unicellular/multicellular organism directly turn into an amphibian while bypassing the lobe-finned fish, jawless fish, simple vertebrate, and invertebrate chordate stages?!

Tell me, oh master, tell me!

@Blue

Naw, don't hate it. I don't think that anyone believes in Pokemon evolution.
Metamorphosis would have been a better term to use in the games, but it would be too big and complicated for some of the game's younger audience.

“One more thing: Evolutionists; Do you really believe Humans evolved from one celled or multi celled organisms, then to amphibians, then to birds, alligators, then monkeys etc?”
No. No one thinks that we evolved through the entire tree of life.

“Or do you only believe in the evolution that deals with Natural Selection and adaptation dictated by environment, therefore Humans bypassed many different species?”
Bypassed? We bypassed fuck-all. Our gene pool evolved and gene pools we did NOT share mutations with evolved in a different way.

"Like passed the reptilian phase and straight from Amphibian to bird to monkey, etc.?”
There are textbooks out there…

“Do you really think the world is that old?”
Yes…

“It would take billions and billions of years to evolve to human,”
You know that we don’t have to wait for a mutation to be fixed before we can genrate the next mutation, right? The entire Gene Pool would be spinning out mutations with every generation. Most of the math attempts i’ve seen seem to think they MUST be sequential.

“Don't forget some knowledgable scientists believe the world to be quite young”
they just can’t prove it.

“and also have evidence to possibly support their claims.”
No. SOME evidence can be made NOT to conflict with a young earth.

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