In response to the comment "The basis for Western Civilization is the Bible. However, it was the basis for hanging those people in Salem Village and the basis of handling rattlesnakes down in the backwoods and the basis for slavery in the Old South":
You're completely ignorant.
The Bible considers kidnapping and selling someone into slavery a capital crime. It only allows for voluntary slavery and indentured servitude as a means of paying off a debt.
Again, you're making the same arguments atheists and unbelievers do.
Stop calling yourself a Christian.
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"The Bible considers kidnapping and selling someone into slavery a capital crime. "
That's why that's one of the Ten Commandments? Oh, wait, no, it isn't. It's apparently far more important that 40% of these commandments are rules about your sky-pixie's vanity.
If it's a capital crime, please explain why Exodus 21 spells out all the rules for how to do it, including how to mark them as your property. And how you can beat them without punishment for whatever reason as long as they don't die in a day or two.
Stop calling yourself a Christian.
1) While kidnapping is a capital crime (Exodus 21:6 and Deuteronomy 24: 7), selling someone into slavery is not.
2) Virtually no slave owners in the Old South were responsible for kidnapping slaves. The owners bought them or the slaves were born as their property; neither of these things is a crime in the Bible. So what you have to say is irrelevant.
3) Yet the Bible was still used as the justification for slavery. Just as the Bible has been used in justification of murder, theft and many other crimes specifically forbidden by it.
4) If a Christian justifiably uses the same evidence as an unbeliever, that is a sign of intellectual honesty, not apostasy. Wishing away Christian history and playing No True Scotsman does not make Christians of the past or present any less Christian.
You calling other people ignorant is laughable. The Bible clearly and unapologetically supports slavery and never once condemns it, in any way, shape, or form.
I've read the Bible. Why don't you give it a try?
Again, you're making the same arguments atheists and unbelievers do.
The validity of an argument doesn't depend on who is making the argument.
And of course, my favorite, Number 5:11-16, which is god's method for an induced miscarriage or abortion as we call them today.
Uh, you sure YOU'RE a Christian? Because it sounds like you haven't read the Bible. When the Israelites weren't killing the entire population of a village including the cattle they were killing most of the population of a village and taking the rest as slaves. Not to mention that they often took all of the virgins. What's that if not kidnapping at the very least? And most of the rules were for HEBREW slaves. They didn't give a rat's ass about slaves they took from other tribes. Just like "Thou shalt not kill" was clearly not meant for the Canaanites who they slaughtered left and right.
In the Torah, there were two forms of slavery which were recognized: one for fellow Israelites, one for foreigners. Foreign slaves were considered property, could be beaten to the point of not moving for several days, and were given away as inheritance. Kind of like slavery versus indentured servitude in colonial America. Apologists love to mix and match the two in order to make the foreign slavery appeal generous.
It [the Bible] only allows for voluntary slavery and indentured servitude as a means of paying off a debt.
You must be reading the "Authorized Moron's Version" that's missing Leviticus 25:44-46.
Read "Nellie Norton, or, Southern slavery and the Bible: a Scriptural refutation of the principal arguments upon which the abolitionists rely: a vindication of Southern slavery from the Old and New Testaments" by Rev. E. W. Warren of Macon, GA (1864).
Voluntary slavery? We get to make up our definitions of words now? BY definition, slavery is not voluntary. While many people used the bible to argue for abolition, many also used it to argue that it was A-OK with god. That's kind of the problem with the bible or any religious text. You can make it say whatever you want to be true.
You apparently forgot about the Bible being the basis for hanging those people in Salem Village...
I don't call myself a Christian, I call myself an atheist or a non-religious person.
Yes!
It's been at my bedside gathering dus,,I mean inspiring me for years!
OP has never read the Bible.
"Again, you're making the same arguments atheists and unbelievers do. "
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