Because gendered roles did develop, and continue to do so, the natural roles they were based on must necessarily exist. Something does not derive from nothing. That feminists can look over the span of history – not to mention contemporary society – and maintain that none of these results are based on nature discredits all of their subsequent conclusions. In other words, the cornerstone of Western feminist thought is based on flawed reasoning, and all of the evils of feminism derive from this fundamental flaw.
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The actual cornerstone of feminist thought is equality of opportunity. That is, there is no logical reason to deny women the opportunity to live their lives as they wish. It doesn't matter what roles were or are predominant.
I have noticed that the concept of equality of opportunity does not seem to exist in the minds of far-right commenters like the Spearhead guys. I suspect that this is because it's easier to argue against a straw feminist than an actual one.
"Something does not derive from nothing."
Physics, dumbass. Though I admit "nothing" is a bit of a complex thing in this context.
As for the rest.. manbooby drivel.
Cut to the chase. Evolution got it wrong. Men and women are the same. Meme [the Ministry of Truth told you]
Dogs eat their vomit so everyone should. Gay dogs eat more of their own vomit than everyone else. OOooops. Gay dogs are O.K. though - its just the vomit, pooh and grass eating dogs that need to be held in some disdain. All other dogs are welcome. Hand lickers are welcome.
321 surprise me Sicko, post.
Gender roles are not the same all over the world, they haven't been the same through-out history, and very few of them are natural.
Feminism also doesn't derive from nothing, stupid. The cornerstone of Western feminist thought is based on the accurate reasoning that equality should be for everyone, and it shouldn't really matter what gender you have. I don't know of any evils of feminism.
You miss me Phillip boy? Dogs also sniff each others asses and hump peoples legs which coincidently enough is how I met your mother.
Lol, she told me you pee sitting down.
Not to say this isn't bad to at least a point, but this is pretty mild for the Spearhead, and MRAs in general, really.
not surprising. The syphilis on the colostomy site - that surprised me. I honestly wouldn't have guessed that one. ie. Your peers. Sicko. Dead looks dead every time one sees it.
Drug dealers throwing prostitutes out of helicopters or pedophiles doing 200 NM off shore to rape and murder. All your fan club in some way or another. In the end they just look dead. What did you want to tell me.
That Darwin is right and I'm deluded? I must have a tin ear if that's all you've got?
Blah blah Phillip boy. Take your comments and put them in a loser sandwich because you are what you eat and you're a loser.
Btw, your counter comments make me cum.
so ultimately Sicko, even with a job, dressed up and debt free and out of jail, I'd still lump you in with a Luka Magnotta - and say you're just on a grey scale of the same social circumstance.
You have the Comm by the way. Stuff to do. Distin? will keep the site running just as long as you personally need it.
It is not flawed reasoning to say that a woman with the education, training and experience equal to that of her male counterparts receive the exact same rate of pay for the exact same work.
It is not flawed reasoning for a woman to insist upon dominion over her own body, either in who she decides to share it with sexually or in whether or not she decides to procreate. Men choose to have sex or become a father, why should a woman not have the right to govern her own body?
Flawed reasoning is insisting that because something has been done for a long time that it is immune to change. It is also flawed reasoning to assume that to change an oppressive system makes things worse and will cause the downfall of humanity. Based upon what, exactly?
A system that demands the 'right' to keep half of it's people in slavery to the other half is deserving of collapse if it refuses to alter its course. If roles were reversed you'd understand this. Being white, christian and male has afforded you too much privilege in this country for far too long and rendered you unable to see the world past the end of your own dick.
Thankfully, not all men think like you.
the natural roles they were based on must necessarily exist
No they mustn't. The "natural roles" were based on a biological fact: that women got pregnant and we could never be sure who the father was. The solution was for men to keep women closely in a cage so other men couldn't get them pregnant. But now, with effective birth control and DNA testing, this is no longer the issue it was. It's no coincidence that the rise of feminism coincided closely with the invention of the birth control pill.
Of course it's based off of something. It's based off of the fact that the Industrial Revolution made it possible for one person to work and one to stay at home. And since we live in a patriarchal society, naturally it was the women who were told to stay at home. If the Industrial Revolution happened to the Hopi Native Americans instead, the roles would likely be reversed and we'd have a quote from a site called The Plussign talking about the evils of Masculism.
Most, if not all, societies have been patriarchal in nature and as a result women were cast in subservient, inferior places in society. Modern society is doing away with that antiquated model and it's good.
Hey, botulism is natural, too. Natural doesn't always mean good.
all of the evils of feminism
Name one.
"the natural roles they were based on must necessarily exist."
The Seahorse... the male of the species is the one who carries the unborn to term, births them, and cares for them somewhat afterwards...
Are you SURE you want to use natural roles as your argument??
Broton of Loch Ness: It's possible, and not at all unusual. There was a fundy who used to haunt a Pagan site I frequented a few years ago, who invented an alter ego to argue with on-site. Another invented one to argue with on his own blog.
Either way, they're essentially butting heads with themselves. One hand clapping. Wacky.
What the modern wave of feminism actually says: "Women should be allowed to be astronauts or soldiers if they want to be."
What W. F. Price thinks feminism says: "Women are not allowed to be homemakers."
Something does not derive from nothing.
Absolutely right, although the something from which it derives isn't nature; it's culture.
If we were to assume the classic hunter-gatherer model was universal at the dawn of our species, then women invented:
Soap
and all arts which had to do with the cooking hearth, which even the misogynist Freud admitted had to be managed by women, since men couldn't be trusted not to pee on it. Whether they invented spinning and weaving is not known, but it's likely.. Gatherers, furthermore, had to be competent botanists in a way that hunters did not have to be competent zoologists, because the flesh of almost any land creature, properly prepared, is edible, but the plant kingdom is different.
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"Because gendered roles did develop, and continue to do so, the natural roles they were based on must necessarily exist. Something does not derive from nothing. That feminists can look over the span of history not to mention contemporary society and maintain that none of these results are based on nature discredits all of their subsequent conclusions. In other words, the cornerstone of Western feminist thought is based on flawed reasoning, and all of the evils of feminism derive from this fundamental flaw."
Ada Lovelace.
You're welcome, W.T.F. Price.
So you're saying that all the matriarchal and matrilineal societies that have existed throughout history demonstrate that women are naturally superior to men?
But nevermind that. You seem to be arguing that because things don't remain the same, all change is wrong. Not sure you really thought that one through.
You now what was- and still is- "natural".
That some races 'belong' in a certain place aware from the dominant race in the area. Or that the majority race holds dominion over other races- but we're trying to be equal with all that, now aren't we?
Now instead of breaking off into races, let's break off into TWO FREAKIN' GENDERS.
@Phillip-George(c)2013:
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"None of them are intelligent by any definition of the word. Curiously, they seem to have a mysterious obsession with fashionable undergarments." Fi (Skyward Sword)
'Tis the truth to your WAAAHHGARRBLE. Would you like some cheese with your whine?
@ W. (T.) F. Price:
Fail. Just fail.
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