Consent doesn't apply here.
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Except that many people have plans for their remains and in fact, it is against their wishes that their bodies be violated.
Also, a dead person's remains would be in the care of their survivors, who would most likely object on the basic premise of honoring their dead.
Why the hell would non-necrophiliacs support necrophilia? I find it quite icky, but eh, people have different tastes.
Well, more than that. We don't choose what turns us on (same goes for sexual preferences). I mean, why would anyone choose to fap to scat, watersports, or necrophilia? As far as homosexuality goes, I'm homosexual, but I didn't wake up a heterosexual and say "hmm I could fancy some genitalia of my opposite gender" one day. It's wired into our psyches at birth. We can surpress these, but we can't completely erase them.
People don't choose to be turned on by their same sex, and people don't choose to be turned on by corpses. Now bite me.
"Consent doesn't apply here."
A dead body cannot consent, and most of the time, the person have plans for their body after death.
Two homosexuals can consent. That's a big difference.
If you think consent doesn't matter, than you've effectively think that pedophilia and rape is okay.
> Consent doesn't apply here.
Last I checked, consent applied to necrophilia too. People tend to have strong opinions about how they prefer their bodies to be treated after they die... as in strong enough to inspire laws. When they're dead, they can't raise objections, so most people seem to think that "no, unless specifically authorised" is a reasonable policy.
And necrophilia might not even be the biggest concern. In the grand ladder of things, it's just under the concern about shrunken heads. ("Don't hack my head off and shrink it, dammit. I don't want to end up dangling from some redneck trucker's rear view mirror." You know, strong personal opinions on realistic, pressing threats like that.)
When I die, I want them to put me in the ground. None of this bullshit. Just stick me in the damn ground, alright? Some creeper having sex with me once I'm dead isn't in the cards, and I'm pretty sure that there are laws that make sure the dead person's wishes are respected.
Necrophilia is a mental disorder, like schizophrenia. Consent is not involved in either case. Duh.
[EDIT] And yes, both partners must give consent for it to be consenting, so take an English course and stop comparing gays to freaks and pedophiles.
A dead body can't consent to sexual activity. Two living breathing adults can.
Also, "That some find distasteful"? ew
Try again.
Wow, how clever. Semi-concern-trolling pro-gays.
Nice try though! Come back and play again.
Why doesn't consent apply? To the best of our abilities we honor people's wishes as to the rites and disposal of their bodies. If someone specifys that s/he would like to allow you to have sex with his/her dead body, I'm OK with that as long as you do it in private, just as I'm OK with your having sex, gay or otherwise, as long as you do it in private.
" If someone specifys that s/he would like to allow you to have sex with his/her dead body, I'm OK with that as long as you do it in private, just as I'm OK with your having sex, gay or otherwise, as long as you do it in private."
This.
Except necrophilia involves people that is... what's the word? Ah yes, DEAD . They can't give consent.
Homosexuals are both alive and as such they can form a relationship.
I just finished Mary Roach's "Stiff", and now I can't decide what I want done with my remains after I die. But then again, I finished her book "Spook" a few months ago and came to the conclusion that I won't be around to care. If someone wants to grope my moldering corpse, well, whatever.
I don't see what that has to do with homosexuality, though.
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I agree in theory. In theory, dead bodies should just be dead bodies, so play with 'em how you like, no harm no foul. In practice, dead bodies are treated as if they are the property of the bereaved in some respects, and are also effectively symbols of the person when they were alive, meaning that mistreatment of their body is a sign of disrespect for that person and thus a cause for stress and anguish in the bereaved.
In other words: find a corpse that either consent to being fucked of its own accord, or whose family is A-okay with handing over to a necrophiliac, and you might have a comparison. Otherwise, try again. I hear the other homophobes cheering "bestiality" in the distance, maybe you should try that one!
Dead bodies cannot give consent as, well, they're dead.
Homosexuals can give consent as they are two living, thinking people. The fact that both partners involved are the same gender does nothing to impair ability to consent.
Understand now? Or should I repeat myself?
"" If someone specifys that s/he would like to allow you to have sex with his/her dead body, I'm OK with that as long as you do it in private, just as I'm OK with your having sex, gay or otherwise, as long as you do it in private.
This."
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Those!
(...I couldn't help myself.)
A man was brought before the judge and charged with Necrophilia.
The man replied, "I'll give you THREE good reasons:
Uhh except if you go and dig up somebody's grave you're technically violating someone else's property right there. And even if you're fucking the body of your own wife or something, you're still affecting public health by just having some rotting corpse laying around your house. You can't do that any more than you can have 100 cats in your house shitting and pissing everyhere; because it's a threat to the health of your neighbors and there's a reason why there are laws in place governing the disposal of human bodies. (and the number of pets you can have) That, and the government likes to keep track of who's dead and who's alive...bodies sorta help with that.
a dead body cannot consent and most people wouldn't want somebody using their remains as a sex toy.
Bestiality - checkNew today! Necrophilia - check
Anything else you want to (wrongly) equate with homosexuality, fucktards? I hope not, it's getting boring explaining to you why these things are not the same. And, to be frank, a little creepy being exposed to the dirty little pathways your thoughts travel.
I agree your point - one should oppose necrophilia (and homosexuality) on rational grounds, not based on emotion.
Happily, there are good rational reasons for opposing the practicing of necrophilia (though not in all circumstances).
I had an interesting experience while posting on a facebook page supporting gay marrige. The opposition raised the "it will lead to marrige between siblings" argument. Many of the Gay marrige supporters basically said "eeww no, thats clearly wrong and a compleatly different thing and would never happen, don't be stupid". I pointed out that their comments about incest was simply irrational prejudice and based on the very same feeling of revulsion that the bigots have about homosexuailty. I got banned from the page...
Necrophilia: Gives new meaning to "Crack open a cold one" huh?
Now. Consent is still required. That's why people have wills. And it is typically understood that fucking a dead body is crazy...but then again...you know all about crazy don't you Eagle1.
Also...what does necrophilia have to do with homosexuality...am I missing something here...or is this one really, really slippery slope.
Pah.
Just be careful of the formaldehyde and grieving relatives.
EDIT:
Consent doesn't apply here.
Necrophilia is simply a sexual desire that some find distasteful.
Hey, I can play this game too.
Anyone opposed to it finds themselves on the same ground as those who oppose homosexuality.
Except that the dead person can't give consent, and I doubt their families would allow someone to fuck their dead loved ones.
Two guys or two women having consensual sex with each other are vastly different from necrophilia.
Consent applies in EVERYTHING REMOTELY RELATED TO SEX.
A dead body cannot give consent. A gay person can. If you do not know the difference, then you do not need to have sex with anyone .
I know something I want to equate with homosexuality.
HETEROSEXUALITY!!!
They are much more alike, than either is like any of the examples in #1197165's post.
Corpses can't consent, idiot so you didn't really debunk that objection despite how much you think you did. And simply finding things distasteful isn't enough to make it illegal or morally wrong. I find sex between very old people or obese people to be disgusting but I'm not going to make laws preventing it.
I have no particular objective problem with necrophilia. If somebody told me:
'Hey, I have sex with corpses!'
I don't think I'd consider him a monster or anything (although I'd think twice about sucking him off). People can use my rotting corpse as a jungle gym if they like, so long as I'm out of it first... (or whilst I'm still around if they're cute)
Dead bodies are things. To have sex with an OBJECT, you must have the consent of the owner. Therefore, I conclude that necrophilia should be legal if either in the will the person states it is permissible or if the remaining family consents to the action.
Consent absolutely applies with homosexuality, though. Gay marriage will not be forced on anyone. No one is trying to make you fuck someone of your same sex. So it is with necrophilia; consent is required. A corpse can't give consent, so necrophilia isn't legal for the same reason that zoophilia isn't legal. While the other party may not be able to openly object, they can't legally consent.
To be honest, necrophilia isn't really any different to sticking your dick in a pringles tube full of liver. I'd imagine the dead person's relatives might be a wee bit upset tho.
@LAchlan
"To be honest, necrophilia isn't really any different to sticking your dick in a pringles tube full of liver."
Citation required please.
"Its wired into our psyches at birth?"
And Zeus carried Ganymede off to Mt. Olympus.
Can you offer any actual evidence that either statement is true? There certainly have been no psychological, neurophysiology studies to show that homosexuality and other sexual fetishes are genetic (the only thing I can think your term 'at birth' could mean--surely you're not suggesting its a phobia induced by being stuck in the birth canal, which is actually much closer to what you thoughtlessly said?).
What the freaking fuck?
A dead person can't give consent any more than it can write a paradigm-shifting scientific theory, chop wood, bake cakes or count their fingers and toes. Two living consenting adults of the same gender can do all these things.
How can you think that necrophilia and homosexuality are, in ANY way, alike? One is a sexual orientation, and the other is a fetish(?). One involves the corpse of someone, which cannot give informed consent, and the other tends to involve people who are alive and can say yes or no.
You fuckers are so fucked up I'm surprised you haven't somehow talked yourselves into mass suicide yet.
A nice rule of thumb is that if the being, or former being, can't give consent, then abstain from having sex with him/her/it.
As a few others have said; Yet another reason to want to be cremated.
If consent was given for such an act before death, then fine. They consented, after all. Otherwise, you are violating the dead - and that is presumably against the owner's (last) wishes.
1) Can't really wrap your mind around the concept of "informed adult consent," can you?
2) You'd need permission from both the deceased ahead of time and the person's relatives. Lotsa luck getting them.
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