Camille #fundie

Camille #fundie freeratio.org

There seems to be alot of confusion on this board regarding Christianity. I see people posting about "Christians" who believe in an old earth. "Christians" who believe in Evolution. "Christians" who believe the Bible has mistakes in it, etc.

This is what's called Counterfeit Christianity. There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and accept Darwin's theory of Evolution when the Bible is perfectly clear that there was no Evolution. No excuses whatsoever. Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!

So I want to make clear what the differences are between True Christians and Counterfeit Christians:

True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems. A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God." I do not like Muslims, but I do like the Jews. Although I do not respect Judaism (because it is false and does not lead to salvation), I do respect the Jews because of what the Bible teaches, and because of the importance of Israel in God's plan. The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism.

True Christians believe in the Trinity doctrine, while many counterfeit Christians reject it.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!

(submitters note: The whole thread is pure gold)

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old comment by

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems.

And here's the core problem with religion in a nutshell. No respect, tolerance or coexistence with anyone else's personal beliefs. No live and let live for these people. Gotta convert 'em over to the "true faith" ASAFP. And when the world puts them in their place and says no more, they cry persecution and intolerance and hate when they can't even see those are just reflections of the bile they've been spewing all along.

I do not like Muslims, but I do like the Jews.

Why the one but not the other? From your previous statements (see above), you certainly cannot tolerate Judaism if your a True Christian(tm) since that is a "false religion." Islam is yet another religion but why go all the way with your dislike of them but not the Jews as well?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism.

True Christians believe in the Trinity doctrine, while many counterfeit Christians reject it."

"True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it."

True Christian, eh? How's those poly-cotton clothes feel? Those pork chops & shrimps taste? If you follow the teachings of Scripture to the letter, and are like that with the Jews, then even YOU aren't a True Christian Camille m'dear.

...oh, and in before Matthew 15:11*:

'Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.'

And yet you lot dare criticise gays for performing fellatio? Baby Jesus cries when he sees & hears hypocrisy, you know.

*- I imagine this is how Ted Faggard justifies his homosexuality, whilst preaching against it. Sucking off rent boys doesn't count to him, because of this tidbit of Scripture, I guess. And this part is from the KJV (.a.k.a. 'QJV') the fundies drool over too. Says it all, really.

old comment by Mister Spak

There seems to be alot of confusion on this board regarding Christianity. I see people posting about "Christians" hating this group and killing that group etc.

This is what's called counterfeit christianity. There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and accept killing and hating when Jesus is perfectly clear about what he expects in the beatitudes. No excuses whatsoever. Counterfeit christians don't read the bible so they don't know what Jesus said,
so they have no idea what Christians should do!

So I want to make clear what what the differences are between True Christians and counterfeit christians:

True Christians follow the teachings of Jesus. Counterfeit christians are enraged retards who hate and kill everyone who is not exactly like themselves. They are a variety of muslim. The only way to tell the difference is muslims scream "allah" when they are killing people, while counterfeit christians scream "Jesus".

old comment by The L

True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it. Even the parts that plainly and directly contradict each other.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems. A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God." If you don't follow OUR religion, you're going to be tortured forever. Because God is love.

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism. True Christians also believe that even though nature was described by God himself as being "very good," that we should waste and despoil all the earth's resources instead of being good stewards.

In short, I prefer the "counterfeit" Christians.

@John: Baptists aren't "fringe" Christians. They're the largest denomination in the U.S. (Catholics are second.) And most Baptists don't take things nearly this far.

old comment by Giveitaday

And here I thought that accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior and repenting of sin was the only criteria for being christian.

So what about the thousands of christian who lived and died before the bible was compiled were not real christian because the didn't believe in the infallability of a book that didn't yet exist?

Where is it written that your "god" forbids salvation for those christians who believe in evolutionary theory?

Where is it written that your "god" will deny salvation to those who do not fervently believe in young earth creationism?

If every word of the bible must be believed as both true and literal, then what bible is to be used? Should it be the original and/or oldest manuscripts? Or should it be the later translation which have verses that are not in the older manuscripts indicating that they were added to the bible after the original manuscript was written?

And lastly, When was it that your "god" imparted upon you the task of deciding who is or is not a christian, and what criteria must be met in order for someone to be a christian. Many of the things you say are required to be a "true christian" are not explicitly stated (or even to be found at all) in the bible.

Therefore the only two conclusions one can make is either that your "god" has tasked this redefinition of who is christian to you and told you to impart this knowledge upon the world, or You have taken it upon yourself to decide what someone should or should not believe to meet your definition of christian, and you have decided that you, and you alone, decide what makes one a christian. You have no biblical basis for your criteria because those are not things that are found or commanded in the bible, but instead just represent your own personal predjudices at people who do not wholeheartedly agree with all the things you say they should.

old comment by Darwin's Lil' Girl

There seems to be alot of confusion on this board regarding Christianity.
You mean a Christian isn't someone who believes in Christ? What?

I see people posting about "Christians" who believe in an old earth.
Yes, so?

"Christians" who believe in Evolution.
Yes, so?

"Christians" who believe the Bible has mistakes in it, etc.
Show me one book in the Bible that doesn't have mistakes in it. Trust me, they're right there for everybody to see.

This is what's called Counterfeit Christianity.
Faith is a material thing that can be forged?

There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and accept Darwin's theory of Evolution when the Bible is perfectly clear that there was no Evolution.
The Bible is also perfectly clear that Judas died via hanging. The Bible is also perfectly clear that Judas died via disembowlment. Clearly we can't trust what the Bible is "perfectly clear" about.

No excuses whatsoever.
Reality isn't an excuse?

Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!
Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19; Genesis 1:27 vs. Genesis 2:18-22. And those are just two reasons why we shouldn't.

So I want to make clear what the differences are between True Christians and Counterfeit Christians:
Again, how is faith, which is immaterial, forged?

True Christians believe in the Bible.
Um, so do a lot of the other Christians. They're just realistic about it.

ALL of it.
On Jesus' ressurrection:
Matthew 28:2-5: An angel comes down on site.
Mark 16:5: A young man comes on site.
Luke 24:4: Two men come on site.
John 20:1-2: No one is there.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems.
To tell the truth it does seem a little strange to me to be able to believe your God is right and everyone else is still okay. There's clearly no real problem here, as the vast majority of religious people don't care what religion the other person is. Maybe because I'm atheist I can't conceive of how to do it. To me the different beliefs mean very little because I don't see truth in any of them.

A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God."
I shouldn't comment on this. See above answer.

I do not like Muslims, but I do like the Jews.
Wait, why?

Although I do not respect Judaism (because it is false and does not lead to salvation), I do respect the Jews because of what the Bible teaches, and because of the importance of Israel in God's plan.
Um, Muslims are in Israel, too. And the Bible says accept everyone - faith shouldn't matter.

The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).
And Muslims haven't been oppressed? Have you been living under a rock your whole life?

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism.
A "Christian" is someone who accepts Christ as their saviour. (The clue is in the root word of "Christian".) Everyone, regardless of the details, is a True Christian (TM) if they accept Christ as their saviour.

True Christians believe in the Trinity doctrine, while many counterfeit Christians reject it.
But the Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...but the Father is the Son, and the Son is the Holy Ghost, because the Father is the Holy Ghost and the Son is the Father...so...uh...you believe in a "Trinity" with one person in it.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!
May I ask you why you are so mind-numbingly stupid?

old comment by Swede

Isn't this belief in the Bible being the literal truth a rather new phenomenon?
Doesn't the Bible say "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? And, if it's in the Bible, you believe in it, right?

Camille, dear, you are not the one who get to judge what is and what isn't a True Christian. Christians believe in the salvation through Jesus Christ. That might be the only common thing between all the different Christian denominations and cults. It's also a personal thing; if an individual feels in his/her heart that s/he is a Christian, then s/he is a Christian. You don't have the authority to throw them out of Christianity.

The Bible is a newer edition of the Torah and the Koran is a newer edition of the Bible. So if you respect the Jews because of what the Bible teaches, then you also have to respect the Muslims, because their Koran is very similar to your Bible. The Koran even mentions Jesus, which the Torah does not.

Yes, no Christian gets to dictate for all Christians what they should think. Especially those who are alienated from reality, who reject all the strong evidence of deep time and evolution. Who were misled and are misleading others, the blind leading the blind. Who embrace an ideology designed for segregation and exploitation, where mainstream education and reality are demonized for radicalization. A cultish reactionary ideology that is relatively young and does not represent mainstream Christianity. The reason for the friction and cognitive dissonance resulting in this post. Who is the father of deception?