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I'm christian, question on why people disclaim GOD?
atheist say god (i lower cased it to show GOD is powerful and not to be used for vaine* purposes) doesnt exist. I ask how do we have morals? how do we have experience? why do children love their mothers? how did humans even come up with the idea of a god if there were none? explain to me how the odds show that 1 over three trillion chance of a protein hitting another to create one protein*** in a big bang shows that we evolved? Why do people feel good or bad about the decisions they've made? answer those questions, we did not evolve we were created from a Higher GOD our creator.this really isnt a question just a statement in the form of a question/. Just putin this out there for people to see how rediculous atheism is..Oh and the fact that atheism fights a god they dont believe in ..(WOW think about it)....Not to offend just to clarify the truths

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old comment by Senator

1) Morals as we tend to use the term come from social norms, IIRC.
2) Experience comes from going through things or doing things. What the fuck kind of question is that?
3) It helps some species if there is a parental/child bond. It isn't just humans, however. Orca males, for example, never leave the pod their mothers are in.
4) Humans invented all manner of ideas to explain natural but at the time unexplainable phenomena.
5) I can't explain chance and proteins, since that is not my specialty, my hobby, nor what I'm paid to do for a living. However, I don't sit on my ass and make up imaginary invisible people who only talk to people who believe they exist to explain things I don't get. I visit a library if I'm that into a topic. I suggest you try it some time. Or maybe attend a non-religious college.
6)People feel good or bad about decisions for reasons similar to the social norms as I mentioned in point 1.

And as stated elsewhere, Atheists tend to fight bombastic ignorance, not gods they don't believe in. In fact, I've yet to see, read about, meet or otherwise find evidence of any atheist getting in the face of a Hindu, or a Taoist, or a Wiccan, or a Sikh or a Jedi simply because said people believe in something the atheist does not. It's the near militant clawlike grip on your myopic dogma and inerrant ability to run life through your fundy decoder ring and spout your incomprehensible circular bullshit that atheists can't stand. And quite frankly level headed theists can't stand your lot either.

Not to offend, just telling you to die in a fire.

old comment by Allegory for Jesus

"I ask how do we have morals?"

They are imperative to a functioning society.

"why do children love their mothers?"

Because the mothers love them back and protect them (?)

"how did humans even come up with the idea of a god if there were none?"

Take natural phenomenon, and attribute them to intelligent agents rather than unthinking nature. Take these intelligent agents (spirits), mash them together, and toss them into a patriarchal father-figure type role. And from formerly un-unified superstitions arises the unified anthropomorphization of all nature known as a "god".

"explain to me how the odds show that 1 over three trillion chance of a protein hitting another to create one protein"

Because one: proteins didn't need to form all at once, but rather build up, one piece at a time, with each individual build up being supported by chemical pressures.
And two: these long odds hold true for every single location on the planet's surface for every small fraction of time over the course of a billion years. If you roll a trillion-sided die several billion times a day over several million years, it is going to come up as a 17 eventually.

"Why do people feel good or bad about the decisions they've made?"

Because they know the consequences of those decisions, realize that those consequences were either good or bad respectively (which may or may not involve human empathy), and thus feel good or bad as a result.

"Oh and the fact that atheism fights a god they dont believe in"

We don't "fight" god, we "fight" his followers.

old comment by JohnTheAtheist

Morality is genetic shaped by natural selection, asshat.

I know you will find this amazing but men and women with actual brains have done something called a "scientific experiment" to determine where morals come from. And guess what they found? They found that morality is consistent across all religions. They found that the religious have the same moral qualities as atheists and as primitive peoples that have had little exposure to the western world. This suggests/proves that morality is not shaped by your religion.

Do you know what the really neat thing is? You don't even have to take my word for it! You could look at the research or, if you don't trust the conspiratorial scientists, you could actually do the research on your own! You don't have to rely on what someone else said or any ancient writings. You could use your own brain....oh I well I guess that plan is moot.

old comment by Papabear

Morals? Personal experiences and being taught by parents and others. Having ethical standards doesn't prove there is a god.

Experience? By living. Some of us aren't cloistered. Having experiences doesn't prove there is a god.

Children love their mothers? In general, all young mammals love their mothers. That doesn't prove there is a god.

Come up with the idea of God? The idea of an omnipotent caring deity holding you as special and looking out for you is comforting to many people living in a "scary" world. That doesn't prove there is a god.

Nothing in the Big Bang theory proves the ToE to be true or false.

People feel good or bad about desicions? Because they are generally not without ethics. Remember, we already established that ethical standards do not prove there is a god.

You're right, your question wasn't a question, but, as it was not a question, it was not "in the form of a question." That's just stupid.

Atheists don't fight your imaginary God, we rail against the stupidity of those who think they are fighting FOR God.

I don't really mind offending Christians. Please don't pretend that you mind offending atheists. If you didn't want to offend atheists you wouldn't say things which are offensive to atheists.

old comment by Swede

No, atheists say that no gods exist. Just think about how you don't believe in Shiva or Thor, and apply that to how we feel about your god.

Experience is what happens each day, and what we remember and learn from all those happenings.

Evolutionary-wise, children who loved their mothers, and mothers who loved them back, had a high rate of survival, as to love someone (often) means to care for someone.
I'd explain evolution, but you won't understand, if you think that is evolution. As evolution already happened, and is happening, the odds are 1:1.

How did we come up with the idea that there are several gods, if there aren't?
We don't fight your god, anymore than you are fighting Shiva or Thor. We fight superstition, bigotry and outdated doctrines.

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