[What isn't understandable is why God would create a virtual supernova explosion that looks like it occurred a couple hundred thousand years ago. Why should our astronomers now be looking at the remnants of a dead star if it never existed in the first place?]
darknights : no one ever said it didnt exist, just that the process was speeding up very considerbitely. and since God is all powerful- he could of easily have done this and would of never knew he did!!!
and ive explained it to you before. its not trickery its science.
one_brow : God did not trick us by creating light from events that did not happen, he tircked us by manipulating time so that the universe would look old.
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God did not trick us by creating light from events that did not happen, he tricked us by manipulating time so that the universe would look old
If God did that, who says He didn't trick us with the Bible? That's why major religions have always rejected that theory. Once you assume God lies to us, where do you stop?
Well, relativity has clearly shown us that time is not a constant in the universe and that the flow of time is in fact variable and dependent on relative speed. So it's not strictly impossible for time to be different from different frames of reference.
The problem here is that whatever speed time is moving at, it still feels the same to every observer. A minute feels just as long for someone in a spaceship as it does for someone on earth, even though the guy in the spaceship is experiencing time dilation.
If there was such a thing as an absolute reference of time and from that vantage point you could speed up or alter the flow of time around you, the people on earth would still feel time flow at a "constant" rate.
It's hard to explain but there's functionally no difference between a universe that is 13.5 billion years old and a universe that's been sped up to appear 13.5 billion years old.
Sorry if this sounds confusing, I'm really grasping for an intuitive way of explaining this.
So God makes the Universe look billions of years old, then tells a small percent of humanity the Universe is really 6000 years old, and leaves the rest of us to rot in hell for not beliving God and for being decieved by God's cleaver trick. Shit, with an asshole like this running the Universe who needs Satan.
Okay, so we have science that indicates that the Universe is billions and billions of years old. And instead of accepting it, you two come up with increasingly outlandish and ridiculous explanations that work God in.
Well, here's a simpler suggestion: The Bible's wrong!
Norb Bippus: You owe me a new keyboard!
And, umm, what if god accelerated time? I can think of some major implications here, the simplest being nothing changed, because it does not matter how time goes by relative to some absolute measure (like god is supposed to be), it's still the same amount of time and in effect the same things happened.
And now the mockery:
"considerbitely"? BWAHAHAHAA!
Judging by the poor spelling I am supicious one_brow is a sockpuppet. Perhaps darknights gets stomped repeatedly.
Gosh, with fossils being tricks of the devil, and light speed being a tricks
of God, just what is an uneducated, hate mongering, authoritarian fundie to believe?
It seems to me that the best way to understand God and Satan is to consider them one single being, which isn't neither good nor evil, but random. Whenever this being does something good, call him God. Whenever he does something bad, call him Satan.
It makes more sense than an omnipotent and benevolent God who creates an evil Satan.
If God is so all powerful, couldn't he have put knowledge of English grammar and spelling in you head, so we wouldn't be tortured by your horrible "English".
It's "could have " and "would have "
What the hell did you mean by "considerbitely"?
God could have easily done it, without knowing he did it? Huh? If he's all powerful, shouldn't he at least be aware of what he's doing?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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